Frameless dual pane windows, tinting and UV light filtration

[Second Chance]

Does anyone know if the OEM window tinting on the frameless dual pane windows on the new Solitudes filters UV light and, if so, what percent?

Thanks!

Rob

[howson]

Does anyone know if the OEM window tinting on the frameless dual pane windows on the new Solitudes filters UV light and, if so, what percent?

Thanks!

Rob

Your Solitude has 3000 Series LCI windows. Support.lci1.com/windows

Under Product Components theres a 3000 Series Versatal...pdf. Doc says "Tempered glass 26% LT 3 mm".

LCI Customer Service may be able to fill in more details (let us know).

[Second Chance]

Your Solitude has 3000 Series LCI windows. Support.lci1.com/windows

Under Product Components theres a 3000 Series Versatal...pdf. Doc says "Tempered glass 26% LT 3 mm".

LCI Customer Service may be able to fill in more details (let us know).

Thanks, Howard. The info I was looking for was not in the LCI technical information... but while searching, I found several references where different RV manufacturers have put out inspection and possible recall notices regarding a faulty adhesive bond on the hinges of the LCI 3000 series windows manufactured in 2020 which could allow the window glass to detach and fall off. I have contacted LCI customer support with both questions and will report back when I hear something.

Rob

[mbergthold]

Our 2021 Imagine 2500RL has the usual 1970's window glass with tint, same as the cheapest trailer on the market today. I'm looking for someone who offers thermal pane or double pane windows that will replace the glass in our coach. I was extremely disappointed when I discovered that GD does not increase window thermal factors in the Cold Weather Package. I'd rather pay a bit extra for real thermal protection than pay for the propane that wouldn't be necessary if they had "real" windows. Twelve years ago I did the full time RV thing, taped bubble wrap to every window., and felt like I was living in a fish-bowl, and that sucked. Re the dark window "tint", it's for looks only, has no effect on UV rays, reflection, or pass through temps. It looks cool, but it's useless for anything other than preventing one from seeing what's inside. If you know of a vendor who offers dual pane replacements, please share. Thanks.

[Second Chance]

That was quick... heard back from LCI: "We do have a recall on our 3000 series insulated windows that were manufactured between 01/06 through 01/23/2020. It is possible that your Solitude falls under these recall guidelines. We do require that a certified technician or dealer perform the inspection and/or replacement of your windows.

You may provide the service center with your case number, [xxxxxxxx] and we would be happy to coordinate any details with them."

I'm not sure which "service center" they're referring to, but I'm certainly going to follow this up. The email I received did not answer the UV filtration question.

Rob

[ncitro]

Our 2021 Imagine 2500RL has the usual 1970's window glass with tint, same as the cheapest trailer on the market today. I'm looking for someone who offers thermal pane or double pane windows that will replace the glass in our coach. I was extremely disappointed when I discovered that GD does not increase window thermal factors in the Cold Weather Package. I'd rather pay a bit extra for real thermal protection than pay for the propane that wouldn't be necessary if they had "real" windows. Twelve years ago I did the full time RV thing, taped bubble wrap to every window., and felt like I was living in a fish-bowl, and that sucked. Re the dark window "tint", it's for looks only, has no effect on UV rays, reflection, or pass through temps. It looks cool, but it's useless for anything other than preventing one from seeing what's inside. If you know of a vendor who offers dual pane replacements, please share. Thanks.

GD does offer thermo pane windows but it is an option. The Cold Weather Package unfortunately does not include much, I do not even know if you can get a rig that does not have it. All that said I am not sure what would be required to convert your windows. I would think it would require a whole new window not just the glass.

[howson]

The aluminum frames used with the windows defeat, to some degree, any attempt to isolate the penetration of heat or cold into camper. Even with the quality tint I added to my camper's windows the frames still are blazing hot on the interior when the exterior of the window is exposed to the sun.

[Second Chance]

Our 2021 Imagine 2500RL has the usual 1970's window glass with tint, same as the cheapest trailer on the market today. I'm looking for someone who offers thermal pane or double pane windows that will replace the glass in our coach. I was extremely disappointed when I discovered that GD does not increase window thermal factors in the Cold Weather Package. I'd rather pay a bit extra for real thermal protection than pay for the propane that wouldn't be necessary if they had "real" windows. Twelve years ago I did the full time RV thing, taped bubble wrap to every window., and felt like I was living in a fish-bowl, and that sucked. Re the dark window "tint", it's for looks only, has no effect on UV rays, reflection, or pass through temps. It looks cool, but it's useless for anything other than preventing one from seeing what's inside. If you know of a vendor who offers dual pane replacements, please share. Thanks.

Insulated windows are not offered as an option in the Imagine TT line. The price-point progression with Grand Design is Transcend/Xplor -> Imagine -> Reflection -> Solitude/Momentum. You're not going to find all the options on a $34K travel trailer that you would find on an $85K - $100K fifth wheel. It's the same with any manufacturer.

Rob

[pengle]

Does anyone know if the OEM window tinting on the frameless dual pane windows on the new Solitudes filters UV light and, if so, what percent?

Thanks!

Rob

I know this goes beyond your question, but sometimes some added information is helpful in determining how to proceed.

Here is a discussion of what types of UV there are and how to block it. Eventually the two authorities seem to disagree, but it's just a misunderstanding.
https://www.doityourself.com/forum/d...rotection.html

Synopsis:
Clear Mylar-like film will block almost all of UVA (most common UV that fades your furniture or collectibles).
If you are looking to block heat, then you'll want to use a tinted Mylar-like film.

The discussion at the doityourself site mentions that tinting the INSIDE of dual pane windows will cause the window to fail from heat stress. Even though our Solitude windows are called dual pane, they are actually just two panes of glass put next to each other with no air space (edit: that's wrong, sorry), so tinting the inside shouldn't cause any window failure.

[Cate&Rob]

Even though our Solitude windows are called dual pane, they are actually just two panes of glass put next to each other with no air space, so tinting the inside shouldn't cause any window failure.

pengle
Good info on the mylar coatings, but from previous discussion with Grand Design folks, there is an inert gas filled gap between the panes of glass on their (LCI) "dual pane" windows. The glass thickness and the gap width are not as great as in similar residential dual pane glass construction, so residential insulation values do not apply. I would think that your point about tinted film on the inside glass raising the internal temperature, would still apply.

Rob

[Second Chance]

My initial question did not have to do with aftermarket films on the glass (I've had the 3M crystalline film in the past). I was just wanting to know if the tinting built into the OEM glass blocked any UV and, if so, how much. Corresponding with LCI has not answered that question, but rather opened up the can of worms regarding the recall on the hinged windows with the adhesive issue.

Rob

[Guest]

My initial question did not have to do with aftermarket films on the glass (I've had the 3M crystalline film in the past). I was just wanting to know if the tinting built into the OEM glass blocked any UV and, if so, how much. Corresponding with LCI has not answered that question, but rather opened up the can of worms regarding the recall on the hinged windows with the adhesive issue.

Rob

Rob,

If you wear transition glasses, they will not darken if there is UV protection on the windows while looking into bright sunlight. Same with auto glass.

A dealer may have a rig on the lot with the windows of interest?

Jim

[Second Chance]

Rob,

If you wear transition glasses, they will not darken if there is UV protection on the windows while looking into bright sunlight. Same with auto glass.

A dealer may have a rig on the lot with the windows of interest?

Jim

Huh?

Rob

[Capt Bob]

Rob,

If you wear transition glasses

Jim

a.k.a. Photochromic. I always thought of "transition" lenses as"bifocals' without the line and the darkening effect in bright light as " photograys". Semantics.

[Second Chance]

a.k.a. Photochromic. I always thought of "transition" lenses as"bifocals' without the line and the darkening effect in bright light as " photograys". Semantics.

You're thinking progressive lenses. "Transitions" is a brand name for lenses that change their light filtering density with exposure. Progressive lenses are those with the diopter values that change with the position in the lens with distance being at the top and a progressively stronger reading prescription in a pie-shaped wedge toward the bottom.

Rob