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Originally posted by Yoda View Post
Sorry - no picture, but give me a few weeks and I will have some. From below you can see they drilled an oversize hole for the pipe. That's where they slipped the wires by.
Wouldn't it be better to have a 2nd hole with only the wires in it and sealed up? Or do you think it is better to have an oversized hole with pipe, wires, and seal?2020 Imagine 2400BH
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Originally posted by bellis View Post
Sounds good - whenever you can the pic is much appreciated.
Wouldn't it be better to have a 2nd hole with only the wires in it and sealed up? Or do you think it is better to have an oversized hole with pipe, wires, and seal?
Hope this helps
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howson, O.K. I purchased and read Will's book Very informative, thank you. But it doesn't answer a few questions to help me setup my solar. Q. I took a meter reading from the roof where the "Solar Prep" RC4's are at the conduit flange. From there they go down into the storage area and into the 30A fuse, then into the Battery bank. I get -12.6Vdc. Reverse polarity. Is this done from the factory on purpose? Should I correct this? know one has touched this from the factory 2021 Imagine 22RBE.
Q. Replacing the two Flooded LA batteries with (2)SOK 206Ah Li, Do I need to change the stock 30A fuse under the storage attached to the frame currently in use? With what size? Or should I bypass this fuse, go to the other side of the frame and use a 60A fuse.
52.5A from three Panels., (2)SOK 206Ah Li, EPEver MPPT 50A, everything else is stock.
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Originally posted by TheGoletaLemon View PostI took a meter reading from the roof where the "Solar Prep" RC4's are at the conduit flange. From there they go down into the storage area and into the 30A fuse, then into the Battery bank. I get -12.6Vdc. Reverse polarity. Is this done from the factory on purpose? Should I correct this?
Short version: The wires coming down from the connector on the roof go to the input of the solar controller. Substitute your roof's RC4 connectors for AMSolar's "Combiner Box" (same but different). Never ever will the solar panel's wires be directly hooked to your battery bank. (Someone will point out that there may be an exception and a panel may have a built-in controller--and they are right--but every roof mounted panel I'm personally familiar with must be connected to a solar charge controller. Period.)
Originally posted by TheGoletaLemon View PostQ. Replacing the two Flooded LA batteries with (2)SOK 206Ah Li, Do I need to change the stock 30A fuse under the storage attached to the frame currently in use?
Think of it this way: you're replacing a relatively small water tank (your current battery) for a large water tank (new battery bank). Just because you have a larger water tank will the faucets in the camper draw water faster? Nope--water flow will be the same. The difference is the water will flow for a longer period of time.
The analogy could be continued with refilling ("charging") the small vs large tank (and why you'd need "larger pipes") to fill the large tank in the same amount of time it takes to currently fill the small tank (or even faster) but hopefully you get the idea.
It is critical (IMHO) to understand what an owner expects a system to do (implementation purpose) and the configuration required to achieve that purpose before attempting any modification to a trailer. My advice is to keep researching, reading, and watching videos. (It took me quite awhile to understand--almost felt like I took a college course.)
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Random note/test based off a Facebook reply I received.
I wanted to test max 12DC load on my unit. Not entirely possible by myself, but in theory max load would not be easily achieved. If combined with AC information, might be helpful. To test, everything I could turn on was on, including:
jack light
both pass through lights
front cap light
both front cap bedroom lights
bedroom light
cabin light
entrance light
stove light
kitchen light
dinette light
exterior light
bathroom light
bathroom and kitchen fans
cerbo gx
touch 50
water pump
multiplus on
propane detector?
Refrigerator control board?
Hot water control board?
missing items:
bunk light
jack operation
awning operation
slide operation
solar charger
USB ports (nothing plugged in to them)
Refrigerator propane ignition
Hot water tank propane ignition
214 DC watts consumed fairly steadily. Bunk light is no more than 13 watts combined. Bringing new total to: 227 watts.
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There will be minor loads from the refrigerator and water heater control boards, too, if they were on. The big amperage draw items are momentary so I guess they really shouldn't "count" so I don't think they are "missing" (slide, awning, front jack, etc)Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.
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Water heater was on too, again AC.
I failed to include USB (nothing was using at time of test) and DVD/inside/outside speakers (never really use them).
Propane ignition for hot water and refrigerator also probably have some draw, but this is probably even less than USB.
I may revise the above post with this info. Not perfect, but it still gives a good number. In reality with normal use, even with missing items...we would never have all that on at the same time. This was a first. Mainly did this to see what max dc draw without max AC draw from inverter could be. I think I can calculate AC without testing. Just need to see if the multiples 3k is capable of peaking higher than 3k watts. Than calculating at that # or at 3k watts.2020 Imagine 2400BH
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I cannot remember if I posted in the past 10 pages about my saga with the Cerbo GX and Touch 50. I purchased a long HDMI cable (braided, high quality), long USB male to female cables, and female to female HDMI adapters. When I hooked it all up in the pass through it worked fine. When I ran the cables, the HDMI cable came up a hair short, forcing me to use another female to female adapter and a short HDMI cable in addition to the purchased. The resolution and touch features of the Touch 50 GX did not work. Resolution was blown out to big so you couldn't see properly on the screen. So, I contacted support, updated firmware, they even sent me another and it worked in the pass through and sometimes would work with the extended cables. I ended up buying a new, longer HDMI cable that is still a high quality braided cable, with a female end and a male end (no need for an adapter) and a bit longer. Touch 50 works great!
Now that I have fixed the Cerbo GX / Touch 50 (it displays at the correct resolution) and is completely usable....I have run into another issue. The HDMI signal and the wifi signal are interfering with each other. In other words, while HDMI is plugged in, wifi on the unit does not work. The ethernet port works with HDMI plugged in, but not the wifi. I have not gotten or put much thought into networking the camper. I am using a mifi from netgear (AT&T) when I want to be online and it does have an ethernet port as well.
Details of the issue can be found here:
https://community.victronenergy.com/...fi-issues.html
top link in the above link:
https://community.victronenergy.com/...ouch-conn.html
I have not yet contacted support to see if repairing myself per the video at the bottom voids any type of warranty. It looks like the wifi antenna's just need relocated.
Just discovered over the past few days. It's not killing me, but it is less convenient. At some point I will get it fixed.
Despite the challenges I have had with it. I still highly recommend both the Cerbo GX and the Touch 50. At first I thought them luxuries, and they are....but they are not that expensive....and the centralized data and monitoring are huge. If you have Victron gear and don't have the Cerbo GX I would at least get the Cerbo GX even if you don't get the Touch 50. I also like how it does not require all connections to the screen.2020 Imagine 2400BH
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Originally posted by bellis View PostI cannot remember if I posted in the past 10 pages about my saga with the Cerbo GX and Touch 50. I purchased a long HDMI cable (braided, high quality), long USB male to female cables, and female to female HDMI adapters. When I hooked it all up in the pass through it worked fine. When I ran the cables, the HDMI cable came up a hair short, forcing me to use another female to female adapter and a short HDMI cable in addition to the purchased. The resolution and touch features of the Touch 50 GX did not work. Resolution was blown out to big so you couldn't see properly on the screen. So, I contacted support, updated firmware, they even sent me another and it worked in the pass through and sometimes would work with the extended cables. I ended up buying a new, longer HDMI cable that is still a high quality braided cable, with a female end and a male end (no need for an adapter) and a bit longer. Touch 50 works great!
Now that I have fixed the Cerbo GX / Touch 50 (it displays at the correct resolution) and is completely usable....I have run into another issue. The HDMI signal and the wifi signal are interfering with each other. In other words, while HDMI is plugged in, wifi on the unit does not work. The ethernet port works with HDMI plugged in, but not the wifi. I have not gotten or put much thought into networking the camper. I am using a mifi from netgear (AT&T) when I want to be online and it does have an ethernet port as well.
Details of the issue can be found here:
https://community.victronenergy.com/...fi-issues.html
top link in the above link:
https://community.victronenergy.com/...ouch-conn.html
I have not yet contacted support to see if repairing myself per the video at the bottom voids any type of warranty. It looks like the wifi antenna's just need relocated.
Just discovered over the past few days. It's not killing me, but it is less convenient. At some point I will get it fixed.
Despite the challenges I have had with it. I still highly recommend both the Cerbo GX and the Touch 50. At first I thought them luxuries, and they are....but they are not that expensive....and the centralized data and monitoring are huge. If you have Victron gear and don't have the Cerbo GX I would at least get the Cerbo GX even if you don't get the Touch 50. I also like how it does not require all connections to the screen.
IOGEAR Ethernet-2-WiFi Universal Wireless Adapter, GWU637,Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018YPWORE...QJHMEZQEYXHNK1
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It looks like another option is to change the channel of your WiFi network to one that does not interfere with HDMI frequencies. Is that a thing your Mifi allows you to do?Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.
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Originally posted by bellis View PostRefrigerator was on, but on AC. Will control board still draw a little DC load in that instance?
For the maximum output of the inverter--according to Victron's specifications, the 12/3000/120 Multiplus I have can generate up to 6000W (120vAC/50A), but for only 1 second before it shuts down. Continuous output is obviously 3000W (120vAC/25A). There's different time lengths for different overloads between 3001W to 6000W, but I can't find it, dang it.
Note the hotter the inverter gets the maximum output potential drops.
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Originally posted by ncitro View Post
Wow that WiFi bug would be a pain in the neck. It’sa bit convoluted, but my first thought I’d the Ethernet port works would be a WiFi bridge. Maybe even something 12v would exist, but you could setup the bridge to be connected to your mifi network wirelessly, then plug it’s Ethernet cable into your Cerbo and you should be fine. I realize you shouldn’t have to do this, but if it’s not practical to run Ethernet to you Cerbo and you don’t want to crack it apart it might be your best option.
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Originally posted by ncitro View PostIt looks like another option is to change the channel of your WiFi network to one that does not interfere with HDMI frequencies. Is that a thing your Mifi allows you to do?
Originally posted by howson View Post
Yes. The AC (or propane) used by the refrigerator is for the cooling element. 12vDC is used by the control board, indicator lights, etc. Also true for the water heater.
For the maximum output of the inverter--according to Victron's specifications, the 12/3000/120 Multiplus I have can generate up to 6000W (120vAC/50A), but for only 1 second before it shuts down. Continuous output is obviously 3000W (120vAC/25A). There's different time lengths for different overloads between 3001W to 6000W, but I can't find it, dang it.
Note the hotter the inverter gets the maximum output potential drops.2020 Imagine 2400BH
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bellis Yeah I would definitely reach out to them given it’sa known issue. Fair warning I had an issue with mine, the internal transfer switch was DOA, and they wouldn’t give me the time of day. All end user support has to come from the dealer you bought it from. I love their products, but that policy is their only negative in my book.Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.
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