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    As documented numerous times by multiple individuals--what a rat's nest above the coroplast.

    One very obvious item was the nearly 10' of extra speaker wire for each of the 4 outputs. In addition I found two of the outputs had crossed wires at the junction under the kitchen slide. This is not "dangerous"--what it does it put the audio "out-of-phase". (I'm not an audiophile but there's a lot of related information on the internet if you're curious.)

    Below is a shot dramatically showing all the extra wire. (I had pulled it all to the back. While bad it wasn't quite as bad looking when I first pulled down the coroplast!)

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    Sorry 'bout the ugly fingers in the pics!

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    I cut out all of the OEM connectors, shortened the speaker wires to a reasonable, manageable length and then re-connected them using quality heat shrink butt splices.

    I'd like it to look better, but it's now much less prone to chafe or catch on the slideouts. I was tempted to shorten the AC lines, too, but after close inspection of the Molex connectors (they all looked perfect) I decided to leave well enough alone. That's why there's such a long loop of wire tied up in the back. There's a LOT of extra 120vAC wire (the soft black line that goes out to the slide).

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    I could document for multiple paragraphs all the stuff I had to do, but I'll just write that in the end I decided to only tackle those items where there was a possibility of the wire getting caught in the slide mechanism or may chafe over time. From the front of the camper (literally--I disconnected the 7-pin harness and re-ran the wires from the BACK of the camper forward!) to the rear I zip tied, added split loom coil (which I secured together with gorilla tape). Wish I could have used heat shrink to make the loom look better but that was not possible.

    An item I'd like to highlight: the two through-frame slide motor electrical connections. I don't have a "before" shot but the motors are connected to power and ground with wire nuts. On the dining slide the wires were loose. In both cases the amount of bare wire secured by the nut was quite small. I replaced the nuts with quality heat-shrink butt splices and then put an extra layer of heat shrink on top. Then I secured the wires so there's very little chance they will get caught in the mechanism.

    If you have to drop the coroplast in the rear for any reason and you have electrical, through-frame slide(s), give those wire nuts a close look.

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    Howard



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    Howard,

    Wow, what a difference!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by howson View Post
      As documented numerous times by multiple individuals--what a rat's nest above the coroplast.



      Better you than me, but I am sure that my turn will come.
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      • #4
        One small item I forgot to mention: having a MORryde suspension has another benefit(?) when working under the trailer. What is it? The ability to "see the galaxy" in the middle of the day--without a telescope! Yessirreebob...ram your noggin into the suspension and like magic there's lots of stars to "see".

        Finally tally: MORryde 2, Howard 0.

        (Yes, it hurt!)
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        • #5
          Howson, you did an outstanding job! With my OCD and lack of knowledge about electrical wiring would surely get into deep trouble if I removed the coroplast and tried to “organize” wiring

          I have a question regarding 2nd to last pic showing top view of IS, is that gas line able to be protected better since you have the coroplast down? Thinking about maybe putting gas line into a sleeve of PVC or other to protect from tire blowing or just chafing from vibration?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Triplethreat
            The OEM wiring job has a name:........."Out of sight....Out of mind." I'm sure mine is probably the exact same as every other trailer that has been built by most every manufacturer....and one side of me says..."Tackle it and get it straightened out". The other side of me says....I'm not looking for another "career". Hmm....decisions, decisions!
            I only tackled the electrical because the coroplast was down (due to the stuck dump valves). The valve problem is what led to everything else. I've probably got another week or two of projects before the coroplast goes back on.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by howson View Post

              If you have to drop the coroplast in the rear for any reason ...
              Not sure if this has been asked yet or if you're planning any pics and documentation, but I'd be greatly interested in you starting a thread on re-installing the coroplast. I think it would be especially entertaining if you could do it one-handed while shooting a video for us.

              -Steve

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Beachcamper View Post
                Howson, you did an outstanding job! With my OCD and lack of knowledge about electrical wiring would surely get into deep trouble if I removed the coroplast and tried to “organize” wiring

                I have a question regarding 2nd to last pic showing top view of IS, is that gas line able to be protected better since you have the coroplast down? Thinking about maybe putting gas line into a sleeve of PVC or other to protect from tire blowing or just chafing from vibration?
                Thank you, Vivian. No where near what was expected (required!) at work, but I'm fairly certain the wiring is much better protected than when I started and that it won't get snagged on anything.

                I actually thought about that gas line quite a bit. I don't know this, but I'm guessing the line is routed below the coroplast by the OEM in case of a leak. With it below the coroplast, a leak will vent to the atmosphere. Under the coroplast ("more protected") a leak will build up gas in the cavity under the trailer. That won't end good.

                An additional sleeve for the gas line?

                There will be some level of additional protection, but given the damage a strip of rubber violently striking the bottom of the camper can do...I doubt PVC would mitigate much, if any, resultant destruction to the gas line.

                Howard
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by steve&renee View Post
                  I think it would be especially entertaining if you could do it one-handed while shooting a video for us.
                  Psychopath.

                  Yes, I'll document reinstalling the coroplast. It should be quite "entertaining" with all the stuff that's now in the way. I've only mentioned this to Rob in a private conversation--pulling it down didn't go well. With the MORryde suspension and storage tubes that were in the way...let's just say there are "multiple pieces" behind the trailer. I'm not even going to try reinstalling it as one piece (even if I bought a large roll as a replacement). Too hard. Too much in the way.

                  But that headache is a week or two away. Still have stuff to do while it's down. One problem at a time.
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                  • #10
                    Howson, check out this product. I saw it used for some Forest River fifth wheels and I think a good option to the coroplast headache we have to deal with to repair valves, etc. I wonder if it could be a replacement?

                    https://www.rvwholesalesuperstore.co...-accessibelly/
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                    • #11
                      Howard - howson - apologize for this post as it does not relate to the nicely done cleanup work you did but in your pictures it appears as though the inside edge tire tread is just about worn out. Is it just the picture angle or do you have a severe tire wear on the inside edge of that tire (or maybe other tires too ?)

                      Dan
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Canyonlight View Post
                        Howard - howson - apologize for this post as it does not relate to the nicely done cleanup work you did but in your pictures it appears as though the inside edge tire tread is just about worn out. Is it just the picture angle or do you have a severe tire wear on the inside edge of that tire (or maybe other tires too ?)

                        Dan
                        Yep, they are getting worn. Surprised me when I examined them up close. They'll get replaced at the end of this season (assuming the trailer moves out of the back yard). They have just over 16K miles on them and almost down to the wear markers.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by howson View Post

                          Yep, they are getting worn. Surprised me when I examined them up close. They'll get replaced at the end of this season (assuming the trailer moves out of the back yard). They have just over 16K miles on them and almost down to the wear markers.
                          Trust the wear was attributable to some alignment or other issues with the original suspension/axles/etc. and will not be a factor with your MorRyde suspension ? I know there have been reports over the years with inside wear like this due to possible excess RV loaded weight vs suspension capabilities; bent axles/spindles; alignment; etc.

                          Dan
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                          • #14
                            Canyonlight ,
                            Not sure, Dan. The camper had 12,600 miles with the OEM suspension, so that's ~9,600 with the Goodyears on the original suspension. (I track mileage meticulously.) I'll have to have a conversation with MORryde (and show pictures) to get their .02 before installing new tires.
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                            • #15
                              Just to add that Howard's wiring "discoveries" when he dropped the coroplast are not unusual at all. This is the construction standard of the towable RV industry as "regulated" by their RVIA inspections that we all pay a premium for. Not even in the same game as the requirements of residential/automotive/marine/aviation.

                              Attached are pictures from my Reflection 303RLS when I dropped the coroplast.

                              Rob
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