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2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Yoda
The spring and bushing can (theoretically) move sideways on the bolt inside the hanger, because of the gap in my picture and in yours. But . . . the witness wear marks don’t seem to indicate that this happens. The total alignment of the three hangers and the spring to axle connections is not very accurate. I think the space in each hanger allows everything to ‘self align” as much as possible. If you try to shim each hanger to bushing fit, you might bind things up and create more problems.
From an engineering perspective, this seems all wrong, but I would agree with Scott'n'Wendy . . . let everything find its own alignment. This seems to be how it was designed.
RobLast edited by Cate&Rob; 01-15-2023, 09:21 AM.Cate & Rob
(with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
2015 Reflection 303RLS
2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
Bayham, Ontario, Canada
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Originally posted by Yoda View Post
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You haven't driven to Alaska yet have you2018 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins w Aisin and 9 cup holders
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Originally posted by Cate&Rob View PostYoda
The spring and bushing can (theoretically) move sideways on the bolt inside the hanger, because of the gap in my picture and in yours. But . . . the witness wear marks don’t seem to indicate that this happens. The total alignment of the three hangers and the spring to axle connections is not very accurate. I think the space in each hanger allows everything to ‘self align” as much as possible. If you try to shim each hanger to bushing fit, you might bind things up and create more problems.
Fram an engineering perspective, this seems all wrong, but I would agree with Scott'n'Wendy . . . let everything find its own alignment. This seems to be how it was designed.
Rob
Thanks Rob - makes sense.
Scott - not much gravel, just pot holes and frost heave dodging. I thought I was pretty good at it. Learned by following semis doing the same and watching out for the roadside markers, (low speed and no to low traffic) - of course everything in Canada seems low speed - sorry Rob I think the typical speed limits I saw was 80 to 100 kph. max was 110 (68 MPH give or take). I kept having that 70's song (I can't drive 55) going through my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k
But a few pot holes popped up where they should not have been. I swear they materialized out of thin air and moved in the roadway Ill be ready for them next time....plan on getting a hover conversion once I get my flux capacitor fixed.
Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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After I reinstalled my suspension and added the X-factor braces, I was really intrigued by how much the outer part of the frame hanger was bent in. Normally, when you look at the hanger, both sides bend in. But with the X-factor in place, the inner part of the hanger is perpendicular to the brace. So it will stay in that orientation while the outer hanger bends in when the nut is torqued. What sloppy engineering.
Jim and Ginnie
2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
GDRV Rally Support Coordinator
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Originally posted by TucsonJim View PostAfter I reinstalled my suspension and added the X-factor braces, I was really intrigued by how much the outer part of the frame hanger was bent in. Normally, when you look at the hanger, both sides bend in. But with the X-factor in place, the inner part of the hanger is perpendicular to the brace. So it will stay in that orientation while the outer hanger bends in when the nut is torqued. What sloppy engineering.
Did you have the x factor parts loose while you did the wet bolts. or preset to a certain dimension.and locked before doing the wet bolts?
Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Yoda - Per the directions, Mount all the hardware, and leave them loose. Then tighten the wet bolts, hanger bolts and nuts, and finally the frame bolts. This allows the brace plates to snug against the hangers before you tighten the eight frame bolts.
JimJim and Ginnie
2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
GDRV Rally Support Coordinator
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The spring position can change once the rig is sitting on the ground. Also hangers from one side to another may not be parallel to one another in their welded position. Yes poor engineering and construction. Also if the X factor bracket extension holes do not line up, new holes can be drilled to accommodate a custom length.
Yoda has the hangers everyone should have.
Jim
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TucsonJim
I have just been reading the MORRyde X Brace installation instructions and I can see how this addition is going to force the inner hanger side to be vertical. A natural assumption that this should be a correct thing to do . . . but maybe not with the tolerances built into LCI hangers. Forcing the bending that used to be shared by the two hangers to be absorbed by one doesn’t seem like a good plan. If wet bolts could be found that are 1/8” or 3/16” longer (head to shoulder), a spacer could be put on the outboard side of the spring, returning the outer hanger to more-or-less vertical.
As an aside . . . for those of us who have had V Clip braces installed inside the hangers . . . the out-of-vertical hanger angle is now locked in. Getting an X Brace installed properly might not be possible.
RobCate & Rob
(with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
2015 Reflection 303RLS
2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
Bayham, Ontario, Canada
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The "job" of the x-brace is to stop hanger flex from side to side. "Forcing" the outer hanger leg to be bent a little really should not hurt the hanger or cause other issues as it will not have the opportunity to flex with the brace in place. If there are V-clips installed I think it would be impossible to install the x-brace. The x-brace seems good for those than can not get the v-clip installed. I would like to see the x-brace to be able to connect both sides of the spring hanger together, not sure how this would be done.
BrianBrian & Michelle
2018 Reflection 29RS
2022 Chevy 3500HD
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Originally posted by Cate&Rob View PostTucsonJim
I have just been reading the MORRyde X Brace installation instructions and I can see how this addition is going to force the inner hanger side to be vertical. A natural assumption that this should be a correct thing to do . . . but maybe not with the tolerances built into LCI hangers. Forcing the bending that used to be shared by the two hangers to be absorbed by one doesn’t seem like a good plan. If wet bolts could be found that are 1/8” or 3/16” longer (head to shoulder), a spacer could be put on the outboard side of the spring, returning the outer hanger to more-or-less vertical.
As an aside . . . for those of us who have had V Clip braces installed inside the hangers . . . the out-of-vertical hanger angle is now locked in. Getting an X Brace installed properly might not be possible.
Rob2018 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins w Aisin and 9 cup holders
Electricians were created because engineers need heroes too....
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Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Originally posted by MidwestCamper View PostThe spring position can change once the rig is sitting on the ground. Also hangers from one side to another may not be parallel to one another in their welded position. Yes poor engineering and construction. Also if the X factor bracket extension holes do not line up, new holes can be drilled to accommodate a custom length.
Yoda has the hangers everyone should have.
Jim
Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Originally posted by Yoda View Post
Thanks - That is what I thought the instructions said to do. There was a post over on IRV2 where the guy preset the length then had trouble installing. Did you notice any curve to the hanger before you tightened the top x-factor bracket. Install looks good.
Keith
I did have a lengthy conversation with the other moderators about bolt placement on the two sections of the brace. If you install the bolts as shown in the instructions, you push the bolt in from the outside, and then put the nut on inside the channel. This prevents getting a torque wrench on the nut, so you'd have to hold the nut with a wrench and torque the bolt from the outside. We all agreed that it would be better to install the bolts and nuts where the nut could be torqued and not the bolt.
JimJim and Ginnie
2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
GDRV Rally Support Coordinator
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