Yep I am out of my corner.
Folks I need you honest opinion and help in making the correct decision - the first time. I have been comparing two Inverter / chargers for so time now.
Background
2018 Reflection 150 series 220RK Standard 30A 120 volt service
Planed battery bank 4-6V Crown CR-260 battery's in series/parallel. 260AH each 520AH total 260AH usable Cost $648
I have 2 Victron SmartSolar MPPT chargers and a BMV 712 to install. These are all Bluetooth so I can program and check using my cell [hone. They can also be connected to the Cerbo GX with VE direct cables. Correct?
Source materials for comparison
Magnum MS 2812 owners manual
file:///C:/Users/POWER/AppData/Local/Temp/64-0007%20Rev%20F%20(MS%20Series)_Web.pdf
Magnum MS 2812 specification sheet
https://www.magnum-dimensions.com/pr...rger-ms-series
Victron MultiPlus 12/3000/12 Data sheet
https://www.victronenergy.com/upload...120V-US-EN.pdf
Victron MultiPlus 12/3000/120 Manual
https://www.victronenergy.com/upload...xxx4xx)-EN.pdf
SPECIFICATIONS
INVERTER SPECIFICATIONS MS2812 MultiPlus 12/3000/120
Input battery voltage range 9 - 16.8 VDC 9.5-17V
output voltage accuracy 120 VAC ± 5% 120 vac +/- 2%
Output frequency and accuracy 60 Hz ± 0.1 Hz 60z+/- 1%
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) < 5%
1 msec surge current (amps AC) 70
100 msec surge current (amps AC) 40
5 sec surge power (real watts) 3900 Peak power 6000W
30 sec surge power (real watts 3800
5 min surge power (real watts 3200
30 min surge power (real watts) 3000
Output power (continuous watts) 2800 3000VA 2400W
Maximum continuous input current 373 ADC
Inverter efficiency (peak) 90% 93%
AC Relay Transfer time (minimum) 16 msecs
Power Consumption – searching <8 wats 8W
Power Consumption-inverting (no load) 30 watts 20W
Output Waveform Pure Sine Wave Pure sine wave
CHARGER SPECIFICATIONS
Continuous output at 25° 125 ADC 120A
Charger efficiency 85%
Power factor > .95
Input current for continuous rated output 18 AAC
GENERAL FEATURES AND CAPABILITY'S Magnum MS 2812
Transfer relay capability 30 ACC max. each input 60ACC total MultiPlus is 50a I think
Five stage charging capability Bulk, Absorb, Float, Equalize (requires remote), and Battery Saver™
Battery temperature compensation Standard with available temp sensor connected (battery temp 0-50° C)
Internal cooling 0 to 120 cfm variable speed drive using dual 92mm brushless DC fans
Overcurrent protection Yes, with two overlapping circuits
Overtemperature protection Yes on transformer, MOSFETS, and battery
Corrosion protection Yes, PCB’s conformal coated, powder coated chassis/top, and stainless-steel fasteners
Branch-rated output circuit breakers Optional on the MS2000 (15 or 20 amp breakers), MS2012 (15 or 20 amp breakers) or MS4048 (20amp breakers
For Victrom MultiPlus see flyer.
What parts I need and costs for each
Victron set up
Multiplus 12/3000
Cerbo Gx
Touch 50
mk3 to USB
UTP 1.8m
VE direct .9m X2
VE direct 3m
Best price $1636.47
Magnum set up
Magnum MS 2812 inverter charger
Magnum ME-RC50 remote
Best price $1564.49
Cost difference is $71.98 in favor of the Magnum MS 2812
The above allow me to program and monitor the inverter/charger operation. Cost difference is $71.98
Pro/cons
Magnum is a bit more powerful on continuous use, by Multiplus has a better peak power. Toss up
Magnum is easier to program using the remote. Multiplus has more programmable features but needs a laptop to do so in the field Advantage Magnum, but I want a laptop so possible advantage Multiplus.
Mounting Multiplus is wall or horizonta -l wall mount preferred. Magnum is wall/floor/celing . Slight advantage Magnum
Fan noise Some have said they can hear the Magnum. I have heard no complaints on the Multiplus Advantage Multiplus
Charger 120A multiplus 125 amp Magnum Slight advantage Magnum Both chargers are fully programmable for various battery types.
Both have transfer switches. Magnums will work with unit off, Multiplus must be on. Advantage Magnum. However I would have the Multiplus charger on if 120 shore is available - so wash.
Touch 50 monitor - good display and with Cerbo GX I will be able to see MPPT solar chargers and BMV712 in addition to Multiplus status. Remote for Magnum is good, but I would need cell phone and Bluetooth connection to monitor MPPT and BMV712. Advantage Multiplus
With Cerbo GX I can tie in my other devices and see them on the touch 50? True? If so advantage Multiplus
Magnum set up is less complicated to wire up and possible will take up less space. Possible advantage Magnum
Transfer switch - Magnum 30A Multiplus 50A. Advantage Multiplus
Unknowns for me
Will I see any real difference in power output between the units?
Do I need all the extra features the Multiplus has and will I actually use them? I want something basic to turn on the inverter and turn off the inverter. The 712 battery monitor will tell me battery status. So do I need to see solar output/usage/etc?
Support -I know you folks here will help me not make a mess on the Multiplus, but are there folks with the Magnum experience. Dealer and manufacturer support is available for both. Does Victron have a good owner support site for questions?
Programing the Magnum looks easy per the videos. Setting up and programing the Multiplus seems a bit more complicated per their videos. Having never programed any device like this am I getting in over my head? I have said before I am not smart phone savvy - heck I cant even send a text or sometimes read them. Right now I have a desk top to program with, which means rigging up a 12v or 110 power to the Multiplus for programming befor I install Are there many good youtube vids on programing the Multiplus. I honestly have not looked yet, but found several good ones for the Magnum
Last - what will SWMBO say if the Multiplus shows up?
Folks Please give me you honest thoughts on the comparison (facts correct?)
Please make sure I have chosen the correct components.
Its amazing after all this I may be back to what you folks have recommended all along
Thanks
Keith
Me thinks I need to go and hide now
Folks I need you honest opinion and help in making the correct decision - the first time. I have been comparing two Inverter / chargers for so time now.
Background
2018 Reflection 150 series 220RK Standard 30A 120 volt service
Planed battery bank 4-6V Crown CR-260 battery's in series/parallel. 260AH each 520AH total 260AH usable Cost $648
I have 2 Victron SmartSolar MPPT chargers and a BMV 712 to install. These are all Bluetooth so I can program and check using my cell [hone. They can also be connected to the Cerbo GX with VE direct cables. Correct?
Source materials for comparison
Magnum MS 2812 owners manual
file:///C:/Users/POWER/AppData/Local/Temp/64-0007%20Rev%20F%20(MS%20Series)_Web.pdf
Magnum MS 2812 specification sheet
https://www.magnum-dimensions.com/pr...rger-ms-series
Victron MultiPlus 12/3000/12 Data sheet
https://www.victronenergy.com/upload...120V-US-EN.pdf
Victron MultiPlus 12/3000/120 Manual
https://www.victronenergy.com/upload...xxx4xx)-EN.pdf
SPECIFICATIONS
INVERTER SPECIFICATIONS MS2812 MultiPlus 12/3000/120
Input battery voltage range 9 - 16.8 VDC 9.5-17V
output voltage accuracy 120 VAC ± 5% 120 vac +/- 2%
Output frequency and accuracy 60 Hz ± 0.1 Hz 60z+/- 1%
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) < 5%
1 msec surge current (amps AC) 70
100 msec surge current (amps AC) 40
5 sec surge power (real watts) 3900 Peak power 6000W
30 sec surge power (real watts 3800
5 min surge power (real watts 3200
30 min surge power (real watts) 3000
Output power (continuous watts) 2800 3000VA 2400W
Maximum continuous input current 373 ADC
Inverter efficiency (peak) 90% 93%
AC Relay Transfer time (minimum) 16 msecs
Power Consumption – searching <8 wats 8W
Power Consumption-inverting (no load) 30 watts 20W
Output Waveform Pure Sine Wave Pure sine wave
CHARGER SPECIFICATIONS
Continuous output at 25° 125 ADC 120A
Charger efficiency 85%
Power factor > .95
Input current for continuous rated output 18 AAC
GENERAL FEATURES AND CAPABILITY'S Magnum MS 2812
Transfer relay capability 30 ACC max. each input 60ACC total MultiPlus is 50a I think
Five stage charging capability Bulk, Absorb, Float, Equalize (requires remote), and Battery Saver™
Battery temperature compensation Standard with available temp sensor connected (battery temp 0-50° C)
Internal cooling 0 to 120 cfm variable speed drive using dual 92mm brushless DC fans
Overcurrent protection Yes, with two overlapping circuits
Overtemperature protection Yes on transformer, MOSFETS, and battery
Corrosion protection Yes, PCB’s conformal coated, powder coated chassis/top, and stainless-steel fasteners
Branch-rated output circuit breakers Optional on the MS2000 (15 or 20 amp breakers), MS2012 (15 or 20 amp breakers) or MS4048 (20amp breakers
For Victrom MultiPlus see flyer.
What parts I need and costs for each
Victron set up
Multiplus 12/3000
Cerbo Gx
Touch 50
mk3 to USB
UTP 1.8m
VE direct .9m X2
VE direct 3m
Best price $1636.47
Magnum set up
Magnum MS 2812 inverter charger
Magnum ME-RC50 remote
Best price $1564.49
Cost difference is $71.98 in favor of the Magnum MS 2812
The above allow me to program and monitor the inverter/charger operation. Cost difference is $71.98
Pro/cons
Magnum is a bit more powerful on continuous use, by Multiplus has a better peak power. Toss up
Magnum is easier to program using the remote. Multiplus has more programmable features but needs a laptop to do so in the field Advantage Magnum, but I want a laptop so possible advantage Multiplus.
Mounting Multiplus is wall or horizonta -l wall mount preferred. Magnum is wall/floor/celing . Slight advantage Magnum
Fan noise Some have said they can hear the Magnum. I have heard no complaints on the Multiplus Advantage Multiplus
Charger 120A multiplus 125 amp Magnum Slight advantage Magnum Both chargers are fully programmable for various battery types.
Both have transfer switches. Magnums will work with unit off, Multiplus must be on. Advantage Magnum. However I would have the Multiplus charger on if 120 shore is available - so wash.
Touch 50 monitor - good display and with Cerbo GX I will be able to see MPPT solar chargers and BMV712 in addition to Multiplus status. Remote for Magnum is good, but I would need cell phone and Bluetooth connection to monitor MPPT and BMV712. Advantage Multiplus
With Cerbo GX I can tie in my other devices and see them on the touch 50? True? If so advantage Multiplus
Magnum set up is less complicated to wire up and possible will take up less space. Possible advantage Magnum
Transfer switch - Magnum 30A Multiplus 50A. Advantage Multiplus
Unknowns for me
Will I see any real difference in power output between the units?
Do I need all the extra features the Multiplus has and will I actually use them? I want something basic to turn on the inverter and turn off the inverter. The 712 battery monitor will tell me battery status. So do I need to see solar output/usage/etc?
Support -I know you folks here will help me not make a mess on the Multiplus, but are there folks with the Magnum experience. Dealer and manufacturer support is available for both. Does Victron have a good owner support site for questions?
Programing the Magnum looks easy per the videos. Setting up and programing the Multiplus seems a bit more complicated per their videos. Having never programed any device like this am I getting in over my head? I have said before I am not smart phone savvy - heck I cant even send a text or sometimes read them. Right now I have a desk top to program with, which means rigging up a 12v or 110 power to the Multiplus for programming befor I install Are there many good youtube vids on programing the Multiplus. I honestly have not looked yet, but found several good ones for the Magnum
Last - what will SWMBO say if the Multiplus shows up?
Folks Please give me you honest thoughts on the comparison (facts correct?)
Please make sure I have chosen the correct components.
Its amazing after all this I may be back to what you folks have recommended all along
Thanks
Keith
Me thinks I need to go and hide now
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