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  • howson
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    Originally posted by dwelcel View Post
    I had a 2017 Ram 1500 with air helper bags inside the rear springs...I know this is not the same as a WDH but it got rid of the squat. The trailer I was towing was weighed at 7000lbs including the tongue.

    I’m not sure what the weights were on the steer and drive axles but I never used a WDH and personally my truck felt stable and I was fine with the setup.

    I agree with the comments on how does the truck feel to you.

    I’ve since sold the Ram and now tow our Imagine XLS 23bhe with both a 2015 Land Rover LR4 and a 2013 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD.
    This post is meant to be informative so I hope it is read (and received) in the spirit intended.

    As stated in the response, airbags are not a substitution for a WDH. Readers of this thread should understand that difference! If they don't there are two references linked below.

    For text go to https://www.fastwaytrailer.com/blog/...hes-vs-airbags

    To see actual results done by an engineer, this video is fantastic:


    Howard

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  • Guest
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    Originally posted by dwelcel View Post
    I had a 2017 Ram 1500 with air helper bags inside the rear springs...I know this is not the same as a WDH but it got rid of the squat. The trailer I was towing was weighed at 7000lbs including the tongue.

    I’m not sure what the weights were on the steer and drive axles but I never used a WDH and personally my truck felt stable and I was fine with the setup.

    I agree with the comments on how does the truck feel to you.

    I’ve since sold the Ram and now tow our Imagine XLS 23bhe with both a 2015 Land Rover LR4 and a 2013 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD.
    dweicel,

    I use bags and a WDH on my truck. The WDH will still transfer weight to the front axle of the TV where this will ensure the rear axle is not overloaded. The bags help to also transfer some weight where my truck will sit nose down to put weight on the steer axle for stable tracking. On our bottomless Michigan roads this setup also provides additional suspension travel. Bags alone can work but you may want to visit a scale to check your rear axle loading.

    Jim

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  • dwelcel
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    I had a 2017 Ram 1500 with air helper bags inside the rear springs...I know this is not the same as a WDH but it got rid of the squat. The trailer I was towing was weighed at 7000lbs including the tongue.

    I’m not sure what the weights were on the steer and drive axles but I never used a WDH and personally my truck felt stable and I was fine with the setup.

    I agree with the comments on how does the truck feel to you.

    I’ve since sold the Ram and now tow our Imagine XLS 23bhe with both a 2015 Land Rover LR4 and a 2013 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD.

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  • 20speedy
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    Thank you.

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  • howson
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    Originally posted by 20speedy View Post
    Weigh #1 with trailer and wdh

    steer weight: 3200
    drive weight: 3740
    trailer weight: 6440
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 2 with trailer and no wdh

    steer weight: 2960
    drive weight: 4080
    trailer weight: 6340
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 3 truck

    steer weight: 3360
    drive weight: 2780
    gross weight: 6140

    If I calculated it correctly my tongue weight is 900 and the trailer weight is 7240.

    Hope this helps. Thank you
    That's exactly what was needed!

    In my Ford's manual there's a process I copied and pasted below. (I have no idea if it's also applicable to your RAM--is there anything in the owner's manual?):

    1) Measure the height to the top of your vehicle's front wheel opening on the fender. This is H1.
    2) Attach the loaded trailer to your vehicle without the weight-distributing bars connected.
    3) Measure the height to the top of your vehicle's front wheel opening on the fender a second time. This is H2.
    4) Install and adjust the tension in the weight-distributing bars so that the height of your vehicle's front wheel opening on the fender is approximately halfway between H1 and H2.

    The ultimate test, as previously suggested by Brian, is how your truck "feels". If the front ends "feels" light or like you're "skating", more weight is needed. Another indication is if you're being flashed by other drivers when your lights are on. Given your weights, though, I suspect you'll be fine.

    If you want to have your eyes rolling back in your head, I went through an exhaustive process to figure out my setup. Brew a pot of coffee prior to starting reading this one! https://gdrvowners.com/towing-and-hi...wing-a-315rlts

    Howard

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  • Country Campers
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    Originally posted by 20speedy View Post
    Weigh #1 with trailer and wdh

    steer weight: 3200
    drive weight: 3740
    trailer weight: 6440
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 2 with trailer and no wdh

    steer weight: 2960
    drive weight: 4080
    trailer weight: 6340
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 3 truck

    steer weight: 3360
    drive weight: 2780
    gross weight: 6140

    If I calculated it correctly my tongue weight is 900 and the trailer weight is 7240.

    Hope this helps. Thank you
    Your steer weight with trailer and WDH is 3200 , steer weight with just truck is 3360. You may wish to change your WDH settings to add a little more weight to the steer when towing. If your set up feels good and the trailer is not pushing the truck around you may be fine where you are at. Pushing a little weight back on the steer will also decrease your tongue weight a little.
    Another important note would be , these weights should reflect fully loaded and ready to camp , everyone in the truck , gear in the truck bed , campers stocked. This is how I hope you got your weights, if not you need to start all over.

    Brian

    Edit: Moving weight to the steer axel does not decrease the actual tongue weight.
    Last edited by Country Campers; 06-16-2020, 07:49 PM.

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  • 20speedy
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    Weigh #1 with trailer and wdh

    steer weight: 3200
    drive weight: 3740
    trailer weight: 6440
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 2 with trailer and no wdh

    steer weight: 2960
    drive weight: 4080
    trailer weight: 6340
    gross weight: 13380

    Weigh # 3 truck

    steer weight: 3360
    drive weight: 2780
    gross weight: 6140

    If I calculated it correctly my tongue weight is 900 and the trailer weight is 7240.

    Hope this helps. Thank you

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  • howson
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    Originally posted by 20speedy View Post
    Should I adjust my wdh to distribute more weight to the front axle?
    Unknown without the weights requested in posts 2 and 3. Did you read the posts and understand what was being asked? This subject can be confusing so would be happy to clarify if something is unclear.

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  • 20speedy
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    Should I adjust my wdh to distribute more weight to the front axle?

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  • howson
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    Originally posted by 20speedy View Post
    Steer weight: 3200 lbs
    Drive weight: 3740 lbs
    Trailer weight: 6440 lbs
    gross weight: 13380 lbs

    Does this look alright, or should I distribute more weight to the front axle?

    Thank you
    Here's an (old!) example of what you need as documented by Second Chance Rob:

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  • Second Chance
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    What are you calling "Trailer weight?" What the CAT scale showed was on the trailer axles? If so, you've not included the trailer tongue weight. To get that you need to weigh the truck without the trailer and calculate the difference between the trucks two axles with and without the trailer. Add that (tongue weight) to the trailer axle weight and you'll have the total trailer weight. My guess is that, with a GVWR of 7,995 lbs., you don't have the true total trailer weight.

    Rob
    Last edited by Second Chance; 06-15-2020, 10:13 PM.

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  • Transcend 265bh and Ram 1500 Cat Scale weights Any recommendations?

    Steer weight: 3200 lbs
    Drive weight: 3740 lbs
    Trailer weight: 6440 lbs
    gross weight: 13380 lbs

    Does this look alright, or should I distribute more weight to the front axle?

    Thank you

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