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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tigger1 View Post

    Noticed in your signature Dexter EZ Flex. We did the same. Have two pulls so far, not long distances, but around our neighbor and getting to the beltway it seems to have smoothed out the pot holes. Have you noticed any difference? We went with GY Endurance too.
    This is our second install of the EZ Flex. Former rig was a Heartland Pioneer and we put the EZ Flex on that one also. I believe they are worth every penny but would not swear that I can actually ‘feel’ a huge difference. I’m ok with that as long as they are performing well as-designed. Happy camping!
    Dave and Sue
    2020 GD 2250RK
    2019 F-150 XLT, 5.0, 4WD, SB
    Curt 17500 WDH, 3.55
    GY Endurance, Dexter EZ Flex
    SCPO(SW) USN, (Ret), HP: Tampa Bay ⚓️🇺🇸

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ckreef View Post



      I think you need to check the adjustment of the equalizer hitch using front bumper measurements per the equalizer manual. You need to do these measurements with truck and trailer loaded for camping.

      When the dealer installed and adjusted the WDH everything was empty so they could only give you their best guess for the adjustment.

      In order to get my 2020 2600rb w/equalizer hitch correctly adjusted (after coming home from the dealer) I had to add washers and lower my "L" brackets.

      Also 10.3% is a light tongue weight. Around 12%-13% would tow better but you stand the risk of going beyond your trucks CCC. Also do you know what your trucks hitch capacity rating is (you want to stay within that limit also)

      One final thought - checking weights without being loaded for camping doesn't serve any purpose.
      ​​​​

      Thank you Ckreef. My hitch is the Equal-i-zer 1000/10,000lb. I believe you are right regarding the installation of the hitch when empty vs loaded. The thought behind weighing empty was for a baseline so when I went back loaded I would have a better idea of how much cargo and such was added to the truck and trailer. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
      Kevin
      2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
      2021 Imagine 2600RB

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post
        Maybe I'm overthinking it.
        Welcome to the club. I've done the same thing so I understand the starting point and how much I've added to the trailer.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post


          Thank you Ckreef. My hitch is the Equal-i-zer 1000/10,000lb. I believe you are right regarding the installation of the hitch when empty vs loaded. The thought behind weighing empty was for a baseline so when I went back loaded I would have a better idea of how much cargo and such was added to the truck and trailer. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
          I too have the equalizer with 1,000 # bars. One quick thing you can do is count the number of washers you have. Mine came from the dealer with 4 washers. The equalizer manual clearly states a minimum of 5 washers. What was my dealer thinking? In order to get my front fender measurements right I ended up with 5 regular washers and 1 thin washer. (you can get washers at any decent hardware store). Once I did that I had to lower my "L" bracket down one hole in order to get the bars sitting parallel and riding flat on the "L" bracket.

          Looking at your numbers
          CCC 1335 - 600 (your stated cargo) = 735 #'s left for tongue weight. That might be doable but will take careful arranging of weight in the camper. I did put my heavy tool bag under the bathroom sink to help counter balance some weight to the back.


          My 2600rb loaded came out at 6860 with a tongue weight of 840 (12.2%).
          Charles and Susan
          2021 Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi, 4x4 CCSB
          Andersen Hitch
          2021 Reflection 337rls

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ckreef View Post

            I too have the equalizer with 1,000 # bars. One quick thing you can do is count the number of washers you have. Mine came from the dealer with 4 washers. The equalizer manual clearly states a minimum of 5 washers. What was my dealer thinking? .
            I counted a total of 3 washers in mine. Dealers are a joke.
            Kevin
            2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
            2021 Imagine 2600RB

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post

              I counted a total of 3 washers in mine. Dealers are a joke.

              Get that adjusted properly and you'll notice a big difference in sway and weight distribution. Just follow the equalizer manual and it's a fairly easy adjustment. Biggest obstacle is needing a 250 ft# torque wrench (about $100 at Harbor Freight) and the right size sockets.

              I would start with 5 washers and see what happens.

              Charles and Susan
              2021 Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi, 4x4 CCSB
              Andersen Hitch
              2021 Reflection 337rls

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Schiefswret View Post

                I’ll guess that his GCVWR is much closer to 14,500 but I’m sure there is GM reference material available that will show the exact GCVWR for his specific truck. I’m not familiar with GM but Ford offers charts showing every possible configuration for each MY so it’s easy to follow the charts.
                The GCVWR may be listed in the owners manual. There is also a GM towing guide that would list this information. Here is a 2018 towing guide.

                https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...wing-guide.pdf

                Jim
                Last edited by Guest; 07-08-2020, 09:21 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ckreef View Post


                  Get that adjusted properly and you'll notice a big difference in sway and weight distribution. Just follow the equalizer manual and it's a fairly easy adjustment. Biggest obstacle is needing a 250 ft# torque wrench (about $100 at Harbor Freight) and the right size sockets.

                  I would start with 5 washers and see what happens.
                  For the equalizer hitch the torque values will be much higher than 250 lb-ft. The shank bolts torque is at 320 lb-ft and the ball is at 430 lb-ft. I'm using 6 washers on my equalizer 10K hitch on my half ton truck with the 2600RB. Fully loaded with water is close to 950lbs of tongue weight. If I were to buy the same brand hitch today, I would buy the 12K hitch.

                  Once the hitch is properly adjusted you can take the truck and hitch to a truck shop who will have the torque wrench capable of these torque values. I watched my dealer install my hitch who used a 3/4" impact gun so I had to re-torque it afterwards. So a camper dealership may be hit or miss on them having the tools.

                  Jim

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tigger1 View Post

                    Noticed in your signature Dexter EZ Flex. We did the same. Have two pulls so far, not long distances, but around our neighbor and getting to the beltway it seems to have smoothed out the pot holes. Have you noticed any difference? We went with GY Endurance too.
                    I can’t say that the difference is physically super noticeable but it sure seems like a smoother ride.
                    Dave and Sue
                    2020 GD 2250RK
                    2019 F-150 XLT, 5.0, 4WD, SB
                    Curt 17500 WDH, 3.55
                    GY Endurance, Dexter EZ Flex
                    SCPO(SW) USN, (Ret), HP: Tampa Bay ⚓️🇺🇸

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Schiefswret View Post

                      I can’t say that the difference is physically super noticeable but it sure seems like a smoother ride.
                      Thanks for your reply. Good to know that you felt confident enough in the EZ Flex to install it on a 2nd TT!
                      2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
                      2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
                      Andersen WDH
                      Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
                      2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
                      2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MidwestCamper View Post

                        For the equalizer hitch the torque values will be much higher than 250 lb-ft. The shank bolts torque is at 320 lb-ft and the ball is at 430 lb-ft. I'm using 6 washers on my equalizer 10K hitch on my half ton truck with the 2600RB. Fully loaded with water is close to 950lbs of tongue weight. If I were to buy the same brand hitch today, I would buy the 12K hitch.

                        Once the hitch is properly adjusted you can take the truck and hitch to a truck shop who will have the torque wrench capable of these torque values. I watched my dealer install my hitch who used a 3/4" impact gun so I had to re-torque it afterwards. So a camper dealership may be hit or miss on them having the tools.

                        Jim
                        I guess it depends on the exact hitch he has. If he has a equalizer 4 point hitch then your torque figures are correct. From reading this thread it sounded like he has the e2 hitch with round bars, in which case my torque figures are correct.

                        Either way unless the WDH is adjusted properly it's not really doing it's intended job correctly.

                        Charles and Susan
                        2021 Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi, 4x4 CCSB
                        Andersen Hitch
                        2021 Reflection 337rls

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ckreef View Post

                          I guess it depends on the exact hitch he has. If he has a equalizer 4 point hitch then your torque figures are correct. From reading this thread it sounded like he has the e2 hitch with round bars, in which case my torque figures are correct.

                          Either way unless the WDH is adjusted properly it's not really doing it's intended job correctly.
                          No problem. I had gone off your verbiage "Just follow the equalizer manual and it's a fairly easy adjustment". This is why I listed the Equalizer specs.

                          Jim

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MidwestCamper View Post

                            The GCVWR may be listed in the owners manual. There is also a GM towing guide that would list this information. Here is a 2020 GMC towing guide as an example.

                            Jim
                            You are very close, its 15,000
                            Kevin
                            2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
                            2021 Imagine 2600RB

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ckreef View Post

                              I guess it depends on the exact hitch he has. If he has a equalizer 4 point hitch then your torque figures are correct. From reading this thread it sounded like he has the e2 hitch with round bars, in which case my torque figures are correct.

                              Either way unless the WDH is adjusted properly it's not really doing it's intended job correctly.
                              I have the square bars, but to your point, it doesn't matter if my "trusty" dealer didn't set it up correctly. My rig came from the factory with one of the recliners needing to be replaced. After the dealer waiting 9 business days to order the chair it has an expected delivery of 18-29 days. When that comes in I will have THEM adjust the hitch and I will watch them, if they don't do it correctly with the proper torque then you may see a news article about a guy who blew a gasket at his local RV dealer. I jest, because from what I understand finding a good RV dealer is like trying to find a palm tree in Canada.

                              Kevin
                              2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
                              2021 Imagine 2600RB

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post

                                You are very close, its 15,000
                                I tried to post the 2018 Chevrolet Trailering guide and it failed twice.

                                Will try this method instead.

                                https://www.chevrolet.com/content/da...wing-guide.pdf

                                Jim
                                Last edited by Guest; 07-08-2020, 09:17 AM.

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