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  • Towing a Reflection 150 Series 268BH with an F150

    Hello ! New guy here. I currently have a 2020 F150 with the 5.0 Super Crew cab short bed with the 3:55 gears. My maximum tow capacity is 9100 lbs and my payload capacity is 2080. We are considering purchasing a 2021 GD Reflection 150 series 268BH (7791 dry weight and 1274 pin weight). I wanted to see if anyone was towing with this set up, and how it does.
    Thanks !

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    Originally posted by Jdeimund View Post
    Hello ! New guy here. I currently have a 2020 F150 with the 5.0 Super Crew cab short bed with the 3:55 gears. My maximum tow capacity is 9100 lbs and my payload capacity is 2080. We are considering purchasing a 2021 GD Reflection 150 series 268BH (7791 dry weight and 1274 pin weight). I wanted to see if anyone was towing with this set up, and how it does.
    Thanks !
    Since I own a travel trailer I'll leave it to the 5th wheel owners here to answer your specific question--I'll just say "Hi!" and invite you to check out the Welcome Letter when you get a chance--it will hopefully provide some insight into how to get the most out of this forum.

    https://gdrvowners.com/forum/main-fo...to-new-members

    Howard
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jdeimund View Post
      Hello ! New guy here. I currently have a 2020 F150 with the 5.0 Super Crew cab short bed with the 3:55 gears. My maximum tow capacity is 9100 lbs and my payload capacity is 2080. We are considering purchasing a 2021 GD Reflection 150 series 268BH (7791 dry weight and 1274 pin weight). I wanted to see if anyone was towing with this set up, and how it does.
      Thanks !
      With a 9995 # gross weight this could potentially put 2000# pin weight on the truck if you calculate 20% pin weight , so that would put you over weight. If you went with the dry pin weight of 1274 , added 2 adults and kids if applicable , the hitch in the bed and any other gear or add ons to the truck you might be over as well. You might be ok if you keep all weights down but you might also have a handful while driving.

      I think there was another here recently that was looking at this model but I can not find the thread , maybe he will be along with some help.

      Brian
      Brian & Michelle
      2018 Reflection 29RS
      2022 Chevy 3500HD

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      • #4
        Thanks for the Info Brian & Michelle. My thinking was 7791# dry weight, we have 800# to 1000# pounds of stuff max that we take (I've weight it)and that includes propane and battery, so at 8791# id have a pin weight of 1758#. Does that seem like reasonable thinking ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jdeimund View Post
          Thanks for the Info Brian & Michelle. My thinking was 7791# dry weight, we have 800# to 1000# pounds of stuff max that we take (I've weight it)and that includes propane and battery, so at 8791# id have a pin weight of 1758#. Does that seem like reasonable thinking ?
          Yes that is reasonable, but still only leaves you with only 300# of pay load to add to the truck to stay at the "not to exceed" limit.

          Brian
          Brian & Michelle
          2018 Reflection 29RS
          2022 Chevy 3500HD

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          • #6
            Jdeimund

            I think your plan will work. (I have been doing this for years . . . see my signature). You can run a modern truck at its rated limits . . . it is tested for this (and beyond).

            Several owners have reported that the 150 Series Reflections are balanced so as to keep the pin weight significantly below the nominal 20%.

            By comparison, my F150 is a 2014 HDPP (heavy duty payload package). This means a 700 lb heavier truck (last of the steel body), a 3.73 axle ratio, stronger rear suspension and (most importantly) light truck tires rather than your passenger car tires. Your V8 will not have the broad torque range of the Ecoboost, but should still get the job done.

            If you proceed with this plan, you might want to consider upgrading your tires to LT (light truck) and run them at close to the sidewall pressure spec for stability.

            Rob
            Cate & Rob
            (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
            2015 Reflection 303RLS
            2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
            Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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            • #7
              Thanks Rob. I currently do have LT tires on it and added Hellwig #2500 helper springs to the back to help with squatting from our current T/T. I do miss my Eco Boost :( but love the V8 sound lol. Thanks for help ! I really love the GD trailers but obviously don't want to buy an almost $50K one and then find out i have to upgrade my brand new truck

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              • #8
                Jdeimund

                Have you seen the “launch” video of your truck hauling a Reflection 150?
                http://www.granddesignrv.com/showroo...series/gallery
                (Black screen Reflection name in the center of the link)

                Rob
                Cate & Rob
                (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
                2015 Reflection 303RLS
                2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
                Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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                • #9
                  Be careful inflating half ton rims/tires if your installing E rated LT tires. I've installed these on my halt ton truck and found the contact patch can be reduced at higher pressures and result in some oversteer on the front end. I run with 45 psi on the front and 50 on the rear axle and have good handling when towing and 40 psi on all four corners when empty to maintain ride quality. The stiff side walls and higher pressures will also help to make up for the fuel economy losses due to higher inertia of the heavier tires. Would caution not exceed 60 psi on a half ton aluminum rim.

                  Jim

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                  • #10
                    We have the Ford F150 with a 12,300 lb tow capacity- we wanted to haul a toy hauler- but after doing a lot of research and spreed sheets to figure weight- at the tongue, we came to the conclusion that we could haul the trailer, the motorcycle, no food, no water, no clothes, no m/c gear.... I saw somewhere, that it is almost impossible to actually tow the rated weight because the tongue weight will ultimately kick the GVRW of the truck over it's rating. Many on-line noted that if you ever get pulled over and weighed, the fines might be stiff. We had to jettison the toy hauler idea. We've bought an MLE22. The K1600 BMW is at home.

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                    • #11
                      Jdeimund, I am no expert and don't own a fifth wheel, but I do own a similar truck to yours. I have a 2017 F-150 short box with the 5.0l V8. I too am rated for 9,000 lb towing. My problem is the GVRW of the truck is 7,000 lbs. The payload limit is 1685 lbs. We got our trailer in late September and are now faced with a truck upgrade!

                      ...

                      It is a case of the tail wagging the dog! The trailer is just too heavy for the truck!
                      Just be careful and hopefully people on here will give you the straight goods.
                      Your payload is higher, but that pin weight would scare the crap out of me.

                      -Moderator Note: To see the original post (which has a question) see https://gdrvowners.com/towing-and-hi...ence-need-help
                      Last edited by howson; 10-30-2020, 07:01 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brian S View Post
                        Jdeimund, I am no expert and don't own a fifth wheel...
                        To keep from hijacking this thread with your issue I'm going to copy this post to a new thread and then edit your original post here to point to the new thread, OK?
                        Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

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                        • #13
                          Brian S

                          if there is one thing that we have learned throughout these discussions about towing at or near the limits of the F150 it is that the experience with TTs and 5th Wheels is significantly different. The truck remains balanced with the trailer pin weight up over the rear axle. This does not appear to be the case with bumper pulls. In fact, the Class IV hitch rating of about 1200 lbs quickly limits the size of TT that can be towed.

                          There is also a large range in Payload capability depending on how the F150 is factory equipped.

                          Rob
                          Cate & Rob
                          (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
                          2015 Reflection 303RLS
                          2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
                          Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jdeimund View Post
                            Hello ! New guy here. I currently have a 2020 F150 with the 5.0 Super Crew cab short bed with the 3:55 gears. My maximum tow capacity is 9100 lbs and my payload capacity is 2080. We are considering purchasing a 2021 GD Reflection 150 series 268BH (7791 dry weight and 1274 pin weight). I wanted to see if anyone was towing with this set up, and how it does.
                            Thanks !
                            Hey Jdeimund, just curious if you made a decision based on further research. I've just started with the exact same setup (truck) and interest (268BH).

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                            • #15
                              Keep an eye on axle ratings, which is always the killer on a 1500 truck. Google says an F150 RAWR is approximately 4050 lbs. Trailer weights tend to be light on literature vs real life. Find an actual sticker of the model you want. Figure pin to be closer to 1600 lbs ready to camp. If curb weight of F150 is 5,000 lbs I have to assume 2,200 of that is on the rear axle. Add the 1600 lb trailer pin, passengers, hitch/cargo and you are pretty close if not over the axle ratings of your truck.
                              2020 GD 320G
                              2021 Ram 3500 H.O. SRW.

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