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**howson** · 02-28-2021, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by BARNES66 View Post

Ford rates this truck's maximum loaded trailer weight of 7,700 lbs.The 22RBE has a GVWR of 6,995 lbs and a UVW of 5,125 lbs (add 1,000 lbs of "hardware and weekend camping stuff" brings that to 6,125 lbs). That is 870 lbs below the TT GVWR and 1,575 lbs below Ford's maximum loaded trailer weight).

Hello, Charles & Kelly! First let me say it is fantastic that you're researching this prior to purchasing so you get it right the first time (unlike the individual writing this response...which would be me).

Based on what's written in your post, I suspect there's still a gap in understanding. I may be misunderstanding the use of the terminology in the post, but generally tow vehicles do not have a "maximum loaded trailer weight rating". They have maximum tow rating and a maximum payload rating. 99.9% of the time it is the tow vehicle's payload rating that is the limiting factor, but it is just one of many.

Did you see the articles in the Reference Material section? Those references contain everything I'd write here (and more) so please give them a look.

I hope they help.

**Tigger1** · 02-28-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by BARNES66 View Post

Hello

My wife and I are new to the forum. We quickly realized this forum is a great resource for many topics. Excellent knowledge is searched and shared. Thank you all! We have read through many posts but have not really found the answer to our very specific question. (Well, we have found very overwhelming answers, but like we said, we are newbies.)

A while back we decided on a GD Image XLS 22RBE - we like the layout, counter space, and it simply works for "us." However, it is over the limit of our current TV. We considered lighter weight TTs, but found none that compared in quality, nor any that we liked as much. So, we want to commit to the 22RBE. This means we need to purchase a new (or new to us) TV. We are open to other suggestions, but our hearts are with Ford. We do not have unlimited funds or deep pockets. Our destination currently focuses from Florida to Louisiana, up to the Carolinas and Tennessee, including the TN and NC mountain areas.

We are thinking about a 2020 or 2021 F150 SuperCrew, 4x4, 2.7L EcoBoost, 3.55 electric lock axle, and with Max Trailer Tow Package. Because we want (need) 4x4 and the trailer packages, we wonder if we can save money by getting the 2.7L EB. Ford rates this truck's maximum loaded trailer weight of 7,700 lbs.The 22RBE has a GVWR of 6,995 lbs and a UVW of 5,125 lbs (add 1,000 lbs of "hardware and weekend camping stuff" brings that to 6,125 lbs). That is 870 lbs below the TT GVWR and 1,575 lbs below Ford's maximum loaded trailer weight).

We have been reading up on weight calculations, and we know there are other factors to consider. We have also searched for testimonials of RVs with a F150 SuperCrew 2.7L EcoBoost. Being that we don't actually have the TT in hand yet, and being that we don' t yet have a new truck in hand, we cannot get actual real numbers at a truck scale. We are trying to make the decision on which truck to buy. We want to buy enough truck to do the job safely and effectively, but without buying "too much truck." We are trying to figure out if the [2020 or 2021 F150 SuperCrew, 4x4, 2.7L EcoBoost, 3.55 electric lock axle, and with Max Trailer Tow Package] will safely and effectively perform as a tow vehicle for the 22RBE. This is very specific, our apologies. Thank yo in advance for any insight.

Welcome to the forum! In addition to the good info from howson here is a thread that might help also. They have the F-150 2.7l and towing an XLS 22mle which is the same size as the 22rbe. There may be other threads worth reading as well by doing a Search in the upper right of the page.

https://gdrvowners.com/towing-and-hi...-imagine-22mle

**Schiefswret** · 02-28-2021, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by BARNES66 View Post

Hello

My wife and I are new to the forum. We quickly realized this forum is a great resource for many topics. Excellent knowledge is searched and shared. Thank you all! We have read through many posts but have not really found the answer to our very specific question. (Well, we have found very overwhelming answers, but like we said, we are newbies.)

A while back we decided on a GD Image XLS 22RBE - we like the layout, counter space, and it simply works for "us." However, it is over the limit of our current TV. We considered lighter weight TTs, but found none that compared in quality, nor any that we liked as much. So, we want to commit to the 22RBE. This means we need to purchase a new (or new to us) TV. We are open to other suggestions, but our hearts are with Ford. We do not have unlimited funds or deep pockets. Our destination currently focuses from Florida to Louisiana, up to the Carolinas and Tennessee, including the TN and NC mountain areas.

We are thinking about a 2020 or 2021 F150 SuperCrew, 4x4, 2.7L EcoBoost, 3.55 electric lock axle, and with Max Trailer Tow Package. Because we want (need) 4x4 and the trailer packages, we wonder if we can save money by getting the 2.7L EB. Ford rates this truck's maximum loaded trailer weight of 7,700 lbs.The 22RBE has a GVWR of 6,995 lbs and a UVW of 5,125 lbs (add 1,000 lbs of "hardware and weekend camping stuff" brings that to 6,125 lbs). That is 870 lbs below the TT GVWR and 1,575 lbs below Ford's maximum loaded trailer weight).

We have been reading up on weight calculations, and we know there are other factors to consider. We have also searched for testimonials of RVs with a F150 SuperCrew 2.7L EcoBoost. Being that we don't actually have the TT in hand yet, and being that we don' t yet have a new truck in hand, we cannot get actual real numbers at a truck scale. We are trying to make the decision on which truck to buy. We want to buy enough truck to do the job safely and effectively, but without buying "too much truck." We are trying to figure out if the [2020 or 2021 F150 SuperCrew, 4x4, 2.7L EcoBoost, 3.55 electric lock axle, and with Max Trailer Tow Package] will safely and effectively perform as a tow vehicle for the 22RBE. This is very specific, our apologies. Thank yo in advance for any insight.

Welcome. I’d suggest that the 3.5 TT with the same other specs you mentioned would be a FAR better choice. The price difference, apples to apples, other than the 2.7 is minimal but the benefits of the 3.5 is something you will not regret getting. Just my .02.

**BARNES66** · 02-28-2021, 06:48 PM

Thank you howson for the great tips. The screen shot is priceless - thank you for that too! I will definitely read through these. Here is a link to Ford's "2021 Ford F-150 Trailer Towing Selector" [pdf] where the is referenced: https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content..._F150_Dec3.pdf
Pages 3-4 outlines the F150 Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight for conventional towing. Pages 5-6 outlines the F150 Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight for 5th wheel and goose-neck towing. I ran across this guide while researching this very scenario. To be honest, it adds more confusion for me.

-Charles

**BARNES66** · 02-28-2021, 06:48 PM

Thank you Tigger1 for the thread link. That is a great find. We will definitely read through the thread.

-Charles

**BARNES66** · 02-28-2021, 06:48 PM

Thank you Schiefswret for your tips. In my heart, I agree with your advise. I was just hoping I could save a few bucks, somewhere in the truck build. We went by the lot today (Sunday) and looked around. They have a new 2020 truck with everything in my specs, with exception to 4x4, and add the 36 gallon fuel tank. Would opting for a 2 wheel drive be a bad decision too? The thing with that is we both have 4WD now, and only engage it just to work it through the gears every once in a while. We have never actually needed 4WD. It is simply the thought of "if we do need it, we have it." We will be spending time in the mountains of TN and SC and it seems to make sense for there.

**howson** · 02-28-2021, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by BARNES66 View Post

Thank you howson for the great tips. The screen shot is priceless - thank you for that too! I will definitely read through these. Here is a link to Ford's "2021 Ford F-150 Trailer Towing Selector" [pdf] where the is referenced: https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content..._F150_Dec3.pdf
Pages 3-4 outlines the F150 Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight for conventional towing. Pages 5-6 outlines the F150 Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight for 5th wheel and goose-neck towing. I ran across this guide while researching this very scenario. To be honest, it adds more confusion for me.

-Charles

Well isn't that interesting. Just what we needed, another "rating" for towing.

I applaud Ford for attempting to make a single rating for selection, but if you read the fine print at the end of the brochure there's a slew of caveats.

This is hard work--no doubt about it--but IMO it is imperative to understand the process. Once understood you can take any given truck and trailer combination and within a few minutes (with just a pencil and calculator) know if the two are a good match.

Remember--the key is the truck's payload. The 22RBE has a maximum weight of 6,995 pounds, so for worst case planning (you guys pack that camper full!) use 15% of that weight to figure the maximum the tongue weight will be (what your truck will carry). That means 1,049 pounds. Now add people and everything else you'll cram in the cab, on top of the cab, or in the bed. There's a sticker on the inside door jamb of every truck that will tell you the maximum cargo carrying capacity of that specific truck. Go look at a few and see if the number you find is sufficient for the 1,049 + "stuff" mentioned earlier. If not--you need a more capable truck.

Please do not rely on what a salesman tells you. They may be well meaning but often have no idea and have a different priority than you. (Not slamming all salespeople--but everyone knows what I'm writing about.) Keep reading and researching and doing the math until it "clicks". Watch Keep Your Daydream's video (link is in one of the threads I pointed you to) until you can recite Mark's dialogue along with him.

Howard

**JHC** · 03-01-2021, 07:00 AM

My TV is a 2018 F150 4x4, 2.7l. GVW is 6500#. Payload 1349#. My TT is a 21 Imagine 22mle. I too was a little skeptical on towing this trailer but I wasn't about to trade up to a new TV without dialing in this set up. Dealer set up my Husky hitch and you would think they know know what they are doing. They don't. I set it up, loaded up the truck and trailer for a 3 night camping trip. First off, it pulled great, no swaying, no bouncing. Stopped at the scales to weigh it all. CAT results attached. All I can say is I am glad I kept my truck.

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**Cate&Rob** · 03-01-2021, 08:18 AM

Half ton trucks are far more capable than they were several years ago. Particularly F150s with turbocharged Ecoboost engines. The 3.5L Ecoboost in the F150 has the same torque as the new 7.3L in the F250. I tow at the other end of F150 capability with an HDPP hauling a 10,000 lb Reflection. At nearly every new campground, someone has to come over to tell me that I shouldn't do this. 5 years and 25,000 towing miles says otherwise. Through the Appalachians every Spring and Fall. I am confident that you can push an F150 to its rated numbers (towing or braking) and perhaps even a little beyond.

Rob

**howson** · 03-01-2021, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by JHC View Post

My TV is a 2018 F150 4x4, 2.7l. GVW is 6500#. Payload 1349#. My TT is a 21 Imagine 22mle. I too was a little skeptical on towing this trailer but I wasn't about to trade up to a new TV without dialing in this set up. Dealer set up my Husky hitch and you would think they know know what they are doing. They don't. I set it up, loaded up the truck and trailer for a 3 night camping trip. First off, it pulled great, no swaying, no bouncing. Stopped at the scales to weigh it all. CAT results attached. All I can say is I am glad I kept my truck.

John,
Maybe I missed it, but what are the ratings on the truck, trailer and what does "the sticker" show in the truck's doorjamb? A real-world example like yours may be just the thing that helps BARNES66 .

A pic of that infamous sticker will help, too.

Thanks!

Howard

**JHC** · 03-25-2021, 06:40 AM

Sorry it's taken me almost a month!!

**GrandDeal3** · 03-25-2021, 01:30 PM

BARNES66 Love the choices are are making and looking to make correct decisions. I have a 2018 Nissan Titan (non-XD) and you would be surprised what you can get for the $$, especially if you look into the XD models. Since you are already in the Nissan ecosystem it may be a good idea to look at your local dealer, but look at the numbers YOURSELF, never trust the dealer.

True story. I was on way to work (Columbia SC) and passed a Jeep Gladiator leaving the Camping world down here pulling at least at 28-30ft, DOUBLE slide trailer. The bumper was literally on the ground WITH a WDH on it. But I guarantee the dealer said the UVW on the TT was under his max tow rating for that Jeep. I almost pull him over and was going to clockwork orange him some KYD and BigTruckBigRV videos haha!!

Good luck!

**howson** · 03-27-2021, 01:17 PM

JHC ,
Your DW obviously doesn't pack for a Zombie Apocalypse like mine does.

A trailer weight of 5,540 lbs when GD's listed UVW for your 22MLE is 5,176...that's incredible. Just the propane and battery consumes some of the difference.

There's a sticker on the inside of the entry door frame that should list the UVW of the camper as it came from the factory. What does it state?

Howard

**Tigger1** · 03-27-2021, 01:33 PM

Our 2020 22mle sticker has 5248 from factory and Weight sheet has 580 tongue. I took my Sherline scale to the PDI and sure enough, tongue was 580. June 2020 when we took it to the CAT scale fully loaded for camping trailer weight was 5580 and tongue was 680. We’ve added a little since then so I’d say 5600 and 700 now.

Just two of us, don’t carry fresh water, one dealer installed battery, light weight WDH, and have learned to pack light over the years by only taking what we need and trying to use light weight items for the things we do take.

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