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  • #31
    Originally posted by bellis View Post

    Rob:

    What tires do you recommend? My payload on an Ecoboost F150 is 1161. I am pushing this and probably need a bigger truck myself with our imagine 2400BH. I am currently running what was a little more aggressive tire. Would have to go look at it, but wanting to say Mastercraft AXT (not the new AXT2). It's a balance between all terrain and off road for a tire. It's on a 20" wheel. I think I usually run 36 psi in them approximately. Sorry to hijack, just found your comment interesting....and I probably need to replace them this year.
    Rob will recommend going with a Load Range E truck tire. I believe that is one of the primary changes in the HDPP package. Rather than the "P" rated passenger tires you will end up with something with a stiffer sidewall running 65 or 80 PSI.

    Edit, I have no skin in this game on brands, its just what came up.

    I put 2020 F150 into tire rack and set it for Load E and three tires came up. It think your would have a 2475/55R20 if you have the 20" wheels. One of the three is a Firestone Destination X/T. It is 3,805 pounds each tire.
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    Neil Citro
    2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
    2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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    • #32
      OK-well the fact that I posted the wrong sticker proves how much I don't know! Sorry for the goof-up. Here's the other sticker. Based upon this, what can I assume the save towing factor to be? Thanks again everybody. Click image for larger version

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Marco View Post
        OK-well the fact that I posted the wrong sticker proves how much I don't know! Sorry for the goof-up. Here's the other sticker. Based upon this, what can I assume the save towing factor to be? Thanks again everybody. Click image for larger version

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        So that sticker shows a max payload of 1560 pounds, that would be trailer tongue weight, passengers, truck cargo, and the hitch.
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        Neil Citro
        2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
        2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ncitro View Post

          ncitro So that sticker shows a max payload of 1560 pounds, that would be trailer tongue weight, passengers, truck cargo, and the hitch.
          OK thanks Neil. So those sticker's don't show the total vehicle towing capability? I thought they might, but am obviously still learning... I guess a tongue weight of 1560 seems ok. Better than the 500 lbs I thought it was...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Marco View Post

            OK thanks Neil. So those sticker's don't show the total vehicle towing capability? I thought they might, but am obviously still learning... I guess a tongue weight of 1560 seems ok. Better than the 500 lbs I thought it was...
            Right it’s strictly payload. Keep in mind 1560 means if your tongue weight is 1400 pounds you’ve got 160 pounds for the hitch, passenger’s and cargo.

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            2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
            2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Marco View Post

              OK thanks Neil. So those sticker's don't show the total vehicle towing capability? I thought they might, but am obviously still learning... I guess a tongue weight of 1560 seems ok. Better than the 500 lbs I thought it was...
              At the risk of being repetitive, it is well worth the time to read the ratings documents in the Reference Material section and watch Keep Your Daydream's Payload Problems video (also in the Reference Material section) as many times as needed so you know this issue forwards-and-backwards. Very, very easy to make a $$$$$ mistake. (Been there, done that.)
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              • #37
                Originally posted by howson View Post

                At the risk of being repetitive, it is well worth the time to read the ratings documents in the Reference Material section and watch Keep Your Daydream's Payload Problems video (also in the Reference Material section) as many times as needed so you know this issue forwards-and-backwards. Very, very easy to make a $$$$$ mistake. (Been there, done that.)
                Repetitive is right. The towing cargo capacity has been explained at least 3 or 4 times in this thread already.

                A vehicle can have 100,000 pounds towing capacity but still only have 2000 pounds of cargo capacity , which is what really matters. I am not sure how many more times or ways that we can explain it. The yellow sticker with the cargo capacity on it will tell you what you need to know. This needs to come from the truck that you are using or buying not from a "similar" truck or from a truck that you do not own , plain and simple. Buy at least a 3/4 ton truck and do not look back , it will be worth it in the long run.

                Brian
                Brian & Michelle
                2018 Reflection 29RS
                2022 Chevy 3500HD

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                • #38
                  Sorry you are finding this repetitive Brian & Michelle. Just trying to learn. I'm at stage zero, as I'm sure you were one day. This is not so easy to figure out. To those who offered their many helpful comments and guidance, it was sincerely appreciated.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Marco View Post
                    Thanks to all of you on this forum in advance for your help. This is my first trailer. Never towed anything before. The GVWR of the 2020 Grand Design Reflection is 10,000 lbs. The unloaded weight is just over 8K. I'm looking at the new Ford F150's which claim that they can tow 14,000 with the right configuration and their Max Tow package. So I think (but am not sure), I should be OK with the trailer weight but worry about the hitch/tongue weight. Grand Design says it's about 800 lbs on the Reflection 297, but that seems very low. Others have told me to count on 10-15% for hitch weight which means it could go as high as 1,500 lbs 😱.

                    The 2021 Ford F150 V6 Ecoboost with Max Tow package claims it can pull 14,000 pounds which is pretty amazing. From what I can tell on the Ford site, the ball weight for the 2021 V6 Ecoboost with the max tow package is only 500 pounds, but I've heard it could go higher with a weight distribution hitch. Do any of you guys know where I can find the exact max rating for that F150 with a distribution hitch? I've looked at all the ford towing PDF guides, but couldn't figure it out.

                    Many folks have advised me to just get a 3/4 ton vehicle, but it will be my only vehicle and it's way too big and too much for just driving around the city where i live. I might only be towing 25% time during the summers.

                    Thank so much for help!
                    I'll add my .02 cents worth: NO, and NO. Just because it CAN does not mean that you SHOULD. For the situation you have described, go with a 3/4 ton TV or a different RV.
                    Dave and Sue
                    2020 GD 2250RK
                    2019 F-150 XLT, 5.0, 4WD, SB
                    Curt 17500 WDH, 3.55
                    GY Endurance, Dexter EZ Flex
                    SCPO(SW) USN, (Ret), HP: Tampa Bay ⚓️🇺🇸

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                    • #40
                      The verbiage of just because you can reminds me of a cert I did for a mid size car for Europe where they commonly pull campers referred to as caravans. The small 1.5L Manual trans sedan had to be able to launch up a 6% hill with no visible clutch smoke or clutch smell. With a trailer that weighed almost as much as the car. And it did it. Lol.

                      The attached may be an extreme of what they do over there.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQSTMYNqBW8

                      Jim

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MidwestCamper View Post
                        The verbiage of just because you can reminds me of a cert I did for a mid size car for Europe where they commonly pull campers referred to as caravans. The small 1.5L Manual trans sedan had to be able to launch up a 6% hill with no visible clutch smoke or clutch smell. With a trailer that weighed almost as much as the car. And it did it. Lol.

                        The attached may be an extreme of what they do over there.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQSTMYNqBW8

                        Jim
                        well it "sort of, did" :-)

                        Dave and Sue
                        2020 GD 2250RK
                        2019 F-150 XLT, 5.0, 4WD, SB
                        Curt 17500 WDH, 3.55
                        GY Endurance, Dexter EZ Flex
                        SCPO(SW) USN, (Ret), HP: Tampa Bay ⚓️🇺🇸

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Schiefswret View Post

                          well it "sort of, did" :-)
                          Agree.

                          Its extremely popular to tow campers with small cars in Europe. And most all are manuals. Capability, comfort level, speed, wind, grade, etc. It all matters.

                          Jim

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                          • #43
                            Marco,

                            I was in the same boat you are in less than 2 months ago when I purchased our first RV. (Transcend 200MK), which is smaller than what you want to tow. I have a 2018 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 5.3L engine. I hated the way my truck towed the trailer. I went out and got heavier duty shocks and sumo springs and that helped some. I also hate having to stop about every 2-3 hours and fuel the truck. I get 9 mpg when towing the trailer and have about a 22 gallon tank. In short, I want to get a bigger truck to tow a smaller rig than you are looking at, once I can afford it. Yes, my truck can tow it fine, but I do not like how it tows in the wind and on hills. A lot of people on here have WAY more experience than I do, but from one rookie to another, if you can afford it, go with the bigger truck. I would also worry about pulling with a V6. My V8 definitely works when going up any sort of hill.

                            Brett
                            Brett and Sharon
                            Reflection 150 series 280 RS 5th Wheel
                            2021 Chevy Silverado 2500HD LTZ, 6.2 Diesel
                            B&W Companion Hitch

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TXBuckeye View Post
                              Marco,

                              I was in the same boat you are in less than 2 months ago when I purchased our first RV. (Transcend 200MK), which is smaller than what you want to tow. I have a 2018 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 5.3L engine. I hated the way my truck towed the trailer. I went out and got heavier duty shocks and sumo springs and that helped some. I also hate having to stop about every 2-3 hours and fuel the truck. I get 9 mpg when towing the trailer and have about a 22 gallon tank. In short, I want to get a bigger truck to tow a smaller rig than you are looking at, once I can afford it. Yes, my truck can tow it fine, but I do not like how it tows in the wind and on hills. A lot of people on here have WAY more experience than I do, but from one rookie to another, if you can afford it, go with the bigger truck. I would also worry about pulling with a V6. My V8 definitely works when going up any sort of hill.

                              Brett
                              Brett,
                              The GM trucks even though they use a steel cab and bed are very light and especially on the front end with an aluminum V8 and sheet metal. Everyone's experience and comfort level varies but my MY15 GM truck tows my 2600RB very well after finally getting it dialed in. I use airbags and have adjusted the truck to tow in its unloaded stance. This accomplishes two goals.
                              1) To provide increased suspension travel on rough Michigan roads.
                              2) With the Equalizer hitch and airbags to pitch the truck to transfer weight to the front end. This keeps the truck well planted.

                              Having stated this, I believe the 2600RB is as large a travel trailer I would want to tow while considering the trucks mass and the size of the side wall (cross winds) of the 2600RB. My truck is also the same K2xx as yours and has a 26 gal tank where my fuel economy varies from 9 to 11 depending on wind and speed. I tow at 62mph and 60mph on windy days.

                              Jim

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                              • #45
                                TXBuckeye and Guest Brett and Jim, when I had my 06 3/4 ton GM Diesel, the tank felt the size of a thimble. I think it was 26 gallons and light came on about 18 gallons used. I added a https://www.walmart.com/ip/Moeller-T...1620/161618390 into my UWS Deep tool box. Couple of bulkhead fittings, boat primer bulb and some other parts let me start gravity feeding (probably illegal everywhere) the tank. Unloaded I could get 300 miles before the fuel gauge would think about registering fuel used (at 100 miles it went to E and did not come back up till key cycle or it registered a change). Loaded I could get about 150-200 miles before it started registering change.

                                I think this is the box I ran (its on its 3rd truck). https://www.uwsta.com/part/TBSD-69 6.5' bed or longer otherwise it hits the wheel wells.
                                Joseph
                                Tow
                                Vehicle: 2024 GMC K3500 Denali Ultimate Diesel
                                Coach: 303RLS Delivered March 5, 2021
                                South of Houston Texas

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