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  • #46
    mpking
    I downloaded the app and it works fine. 1 nice feature is that it allows you to pull specs by the VIN. It also lets you save multiple tow vehicles, trailers, or cargo loads. This is nice to have a set up for with and with you toy in a toy hauler, or with and with water. You may have multiple trailers. Ultimately it gives you a visual representation of what’s going on with your load. Here’s a screenshot of my set up - basically says my trailer and load are OK but my truck is to small. It’s also saying my Class V (2.5”) receiver is too small for my tongue weight.
    It’s a good place to collect your towing information.
    Kelly & Susan
    Dallas, TX
    2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
    2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
    2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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    • #47
      I spent all day and did 6 different configurations - moving my trike around, airing up airbags first, then last, and so on. Interestingly enough this included a set up with no trike. In every case I still had low weight on the front steer axle. Yes, even with the no trike. This trailer has a tongue weight of 1350#s from the factory. The steer axle range was 520-360 lbs lower than stock (unloaded truck). I spent the day at a truck stop with CAT scales. Each time I made a change, I weighed the set up and took it for a test drive. In ALL cases my ProPride hitch had the max hitch tilt and max weight distribution.
      In summary:
      - Nothing really made a significant difference
      1.) moving the trike only moved 100-150 pounds of tongue weight and its respective (smaller) impact to the steer axle weight
      2.) Airbags only may a 20-40 lb difference.
      - ProPride can not distribute weights higher than its rating (Duh!) of 1400#s
      - Buy a Weigh Safe Hitch with a 2500# capacity ASAP
      - Look for a 1 ton truck or add some leaf springs / leaf spring helpers to existing truck and a higher range of tire (I currently have 20” wheels and load range E tires, which is pretty good) and run over spec.
      - Potentially look for a 3” Class V receiver
      - My trike is actually heavier than I thought - I forgot about the helmets I keep stored, rains suits, several chrome add ones - add 100-150 lbs over the stock trike.
      Kelly & Susan
      Dallas, TX
      2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
      2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
      2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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      • #48
        kdocker It may be anecdotal, but I can say when I moved to my 350 long bed I stopped using my weight distribution all together on my car hauling trailer. It's less weight than yours (15k gross loaded) but I definitely needed it with my 250 short bed. My 350 has the 3" receiver and i have a 2" adapter so I thought I'd try it with my 3" drawbar I bought and it tows great. I haven't measured the weights but I don't see a huge amount of change in the height of the front end, and I've have it on the interstate a few times and it tows great.
        Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

        Neil Citro
        2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
        2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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        • #49
          ncitro
          your points well taken. I’m going to solve this problem once and for all.
          I found a GMC 3500, long bed, dually, and pick it up tomorrow. I also purchased a new Weigh Safe weight distribution hitch (2000# tongue weight spec).
          I’m going to have the new truck and hitch installed and tested this weekend. I’m still going to do the weight comparison at the CAT scales to see how the trailer impacts the new set up and make sure I get the trike positioned in the best spot.
          Stay Tuned. I REALLY have appreciated all of the input and perspectives!!!!
          Kelly & Susan
          Dallas, TX
          2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
          2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
          2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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          • #50
            Originally posted by kdocker View Post
            ncitro
            your points well taken. I’m going to solve this problem once and for all.
            I found a GMC 3500, long bed, dually, and pick it up tomorrow. I also purchased a new Weigh Safe weight distribution hitch (2000# tongue weight spec).
            I’m going to have the new truck and hitch installed and tested this weekend. I’m still going to do the weight comparison at the CAT scales to see how the trailer impacts the new set up and make sure I get the trike positioned in the best spot.
            Stay Tuned. I REALLY have appreciated all of the input and perspectives!!!!
            Congrats! I bet that will make a huge difference, and hope it tows like a dream. Keep us updated.
            Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

            Neil Citro
            2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
            2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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            • #51
              ncitro
              Neil if this doesn’t make a giant difference, I’m going to put a second set of tandem axles on the trailer and then weld the ball hitch to the top of my transfer case.
              Kelly & Susan
              Dallas, TX
              2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
              2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
              2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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              • #52
                Originally posted by kdocker View Post
                ncitro
                your points well taken. I’m going to solve this problem once and for all.
                I found a GMC 3500, long bed, dually, and pick it up tomorrow. I also purchased a new Weigh Safe weight distribution hitch (2000# tongue weight spec).
                I’m going to have the new truck and hitch installed and tested this weekend. I’m still going to do the weight comparison at the CAT scales to see how the trailer impacts the new set up and make sure I get the trike positioned in the best spot.
                Stay Tuned. I REALLY have appreciated all of the input and perspectives!!!!
                It would have been interesting to see the effects of the weigh safe on the 2500.

                Jim

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                • #53
                  kdocker

                  It took a while, but here are the measurements. Taken at the KOA Austin East this morning (great place, btw).

                  Hitched the trailer to the truck:

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                  Loaded the RZR backwards. When loaded straight in, this is closer to 2500

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                  Added the bars.

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                  As it sits right now (rest stop). I don't know why it changes like this after towing. I did add fuel to the trailer but that seems like a lot. I'm not going to adjust it, though. The truck's rear wheel measurement is 40-1/4" from the ground to the wheel well, the front is 40-3/4".

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                  Jeff
                  2021 Momentum 30G
                  2021 RAM 2500 6.7L Diesel HD

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                  • #54
                    So it's just shy of 3000lbs, on a 2000lbs rated hitch?
                    Mike
                    2017 Imagine 2800BH pushing a 2019 Ford F150 Platinum

                    Formerly: 2002 Rockwood Popup
                    Location: Massachusetts

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                    • #55
                      Thanks Jeff. I got there new truck and hitch and installed the hitch last night. I will get my first opportunity to haul it later today. I’m also going to stop by the CAT scales.
                      I did have the old hitch (ProPride) on the new truck and stopped by the CAT scales both with and without the toy hauler. I can tell you that the towing with the 1 ton was MUCH better even on a stormy day with sustained winds at 15-20 Mph. BUT at the scales the the steer axle was still missing about 240 lbs (the 3/4 ton was missing about 500lbs). It will be interesting to see how close the new Weigh Safe hitch will be able to distribute weight to the front steer axle. On a side note, the installation of the Weigh Safe hitch was great! It took me longer to uninstall the ProPride than it did to install this new hitch that I’d never seen. It’s also great being able to weigh your tongue weight and then actually see the weight being distributed.
                      Kelly & Susan
                      Dallas, TX
                      2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
                      2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
                      2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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                      • #56
                        mpking if that's not the TW without the bars and distribution, their whole system is off. The TW without the bars is just over 1500 pounds with the rzr loaded. The WS app suggests the optimal adjusted WD TW to be 2900, based on the normal tongue weight, dimensions, etc. That's what the app says.
                        Jeff
                        2021 Momentum 30G
                        2021 RAM 2500 6.7L Diesel HD

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                        • #57
                          Final close out on this topic.

                          New GMC 1 ton dually installed with new Weigh Safe #2000 hitch. Beautiful ride today - no sway! @ top speeds between 65-70 Mph. Also sold my ProPride hitch today and recovered about 75% of money I paid new. Thanks again for all of the input and testing out there! Very helpful and much appreciate the support!
                          Special thanks to Jeff! I think the concept of the Weigh Safe is still very new in the market, so some people don’t understand it shows BOTH the tongue weight and the distributed weight. It is so nice to have a scale for both right there in front of you on your truck. Plus the initial setup and daily connection is so simple!

                          thanks all!
                          Kelly & Susan
                          Dallas, TX
                          2015 GMC 2500HD Denali
                          2021 Honda Goldwing Roadsmith trike
                          2021 Grand Design Momentum 30G Toy Hauler

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by kdocker View Post
                            Final close out on this topic.

                            New GMC 1 ton dually installed with new Weigh Safe #2000 hitch. Beautiful ride today - no sway! @ top speeds between 65-70 Mph. Also sold my ProPride hitch today and recovered about 75% of money I paid new. Thanks again for all of the input and testing out there! Very helpful and much appreciate the support!
                            Special thanks to Jeff! I think the concept of the Weigh Safe is still very new in the market, so some people don’t understand it shows BOTH the tongue weight and the distributed weight. It is so nice to have a scale for both right there in front of you on your truck. Plus the initial setup and daily connection is so simple!

                            thanks all!

                            Thats great! I use their 3" adjustable drawbar for pulling my other trailers (non weight distribution) and its great. For my car hauler in particular its awesome to be able to see how loading it affects the tongue weight.
                            Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

                            Neil Citro
                            2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
                            2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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