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    Does anyone know the thickness and r Value of the fiberglass insulation that sits on the chloroplast in the underbelly. Mine needs to be replaced due to leaks
    Its a 2020 310gkr

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    GDRV-Megan

    Could you please answer this owners question?

    Thanks
    Brian
    Brian & Michelle
    2018 Reflection 29RS
    2022 Chevy 3500HD

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    • #3
      Originally posted by gsmithrr View Post
      Does anyone know the thickness and r Value of the fiberglass insulation that sits on the chloroplast in the underbelly. Mine needs to be replaced due to leaks
      Its a 2020 310gkr
      We are currently using R-11 in the underbelly.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GDRV-Megan View Post

        We are currently using R-11 in the underbelly.
        R11 would translate to 5" of fiberglass batt insulation . . . unless Grand Design is using something with better insulation properties? (I don't think the OE insulation is that thick)

        gsmithrr
        You might want to consider fitting closed cell rigid foam insulation panels. These do not absorb water. Insulation value is about R5 per inch. So, you would need two inches to reach approximately R11. The problem with batt insulation is that it is a big sponge that will have to be replaced every time there is a water leak into the underbelly.


        I sheathed the underside of my Reflection with 1" rigid foam above the coroplast and foil . . . which is better than just the foil that was there before (towards the forward end only).

        Rob

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cate&Rob View Post

          R11 would translate to 5" of fiberglass batt insulation . . . unless Grand Design is using something with better insulation properties? (I don't think the OE insulation is that thick)

          gsmithrr
          You might want to consider fitting closed cell rigid foam insulation panels. These do not absorb water. Insulation value is about R5 per inch. So, you would need two inches to reach approximately R11. The problem with batt insulation is that it is a big sponge that will have to be replaced every time there is a water leak into the underbelly.


          I sheathed the underside of my Reflection with 1" rigid foam above the coroplast and foil . . . which is better than just the foil that was there before (towards the forward end only).

          Rob

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          Hey Rob,
          Did you do a write up on your insulation? I'm looking to do the same on my 310Gk this fall. Thanks!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Glamping4two View Post

            Hey Rob,
            Did you do a write up on your insulation? I'm looking to do the same on my 310Gk this fall. Thanks!
            The floor and underbelly insulation are very different on the Solitudes compared to the Reflections. Are you talking about replacing the fiberglass with closed cell foam? Here's what's under there now (scroll down):

            https://www.granddesignrv.com/showro...e/construction

            (Another) Rob

            Rob & Laura
            U.S. Army Retired (Rob)
            2012 F350 DRW CC Lariat PS 6.7, PullRite OE 18K
            2020 Solitude 310GK-R, MORryde IS and disc brakes, solar, BB LiFePO4, DP windows
            (Previously in a 2016 Reflection 337RLS)
            Full time since 08/2015

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Glamping4two View Post

              Hey Rob,
              Did you do a write up on your insulation? I'm looking to do the same on my 310Gk this fall. Thanks!
              I did not do a write-up specifically on adding the sheets of rigid foam insulation. This came along as a "side project" when closing up the underbelly after installing the plumbing access doors in the front and the second spare tire at the rear. In the first round (picture 1) I used zip ties to fasten the insulation to steel cross frames that I installed in the front part. When I got to the back of the trailer, I came up with a little more "sophisticated" retention scheme (pictures 2 & 3) which makes the insulation panels much easier to remove for service. I fabricated thin wall steel cross members that bolt to the frame rails and used stainless steel "twist tabs" riveted to these cross member to retain the sheets of insulation.

              Rob

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              • #8
                Nice work Rob
                2018 337RLS
                720w solar, 100/50 scc 1500w psw 2 battleborn
                disc brakes, ems

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cate&Rob View Post

                  I did not do a write-up specifically on adding the sheets of rigid foam insulation. This came along as a "side project" when closing up the underbelly after installing the plumbing access doors in the front and the second spare tire at the rear. In the first round (picture 1) I used zip ties to fasten the insulation to steel cross frames that I installed in the front part. When I got to the back of the trailer, I came up with a little more "sophisticated" retention scheme (pictures 2 & 3) which makes the insulation panels much easier to remove for service. I fabricated thin wall steel cross members that bolt to the frame rails and used stainless steel "twist tabs" riveted to these cross member to retain the sheets of insulation.

                  Rob

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                  Thanks Rob. Going to add Sea Level tank gauges and want to do something better than that bat insulation. My underbelly looks like a beer belly! Lol

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Second Chance View Post

                    The floor and underbelly insulation are very different on the Solitudes compared to the Reflections. Are you talking about replacing the fiberglass with closed cell foam? Here's what's under there now (scroll down):

                    https://www.granddesignrv.com/showro...e/construction

                    (Another) Rob
                    The 2018 page has the same pictures. Wonder why it doesn't *feel* that well insulated. . .
                    2018 Solitude 310GK, disc brakes
                    Morryde SRE4000/XFactor with heavy duty shackles, V-Brackets in spring hangers
                    2012 Ram 3500 SRW 6.7 Diesel, air bags
                    18k B&W Companion, non-slider
                    640 watts solar, 400 amp-hour Lion Safari UT 1300 battery bank
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by steve&renee View Post

                      The 2018 page has the same pictures. Wonder why it doesn't *feel* that well insulated. . .
                      We can tell a real difference from our previous Reflection. We wintered in northern Maryland at the top of the Chesapeake and had some stretches in the low teens with high winds. With the floor insulation and dual pane windows, the Solitude was much easier to keep warm than the Reflection was in the same place under the same conditions.

                      Rob
                      Rob & Laura
                      U.S. Army Retired (Rob)
                      2012 F350 DRW CC Lariat PS 6.7, PullRite OE 18K
                      2020 Solitude 310GK-R, MORryde IS and disc brakes, solar, BB LiFePO4, DP windows
                      (Previously in a 2016 Reflection 337RLS)
                      Full time since 08/2015

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cate&Rob View Post

                        I did not do a write-up specifically on adding the sheets of rigid foam insulation. This came along as a "side project" when closing up the underbelly after installing the plumbing access doors in the front and the second spare tire at the rear. In the first round (picture 1) I used zip ties to fasten the insulation to steel cross frames that I installed in the front part. When I got to the back of the trailer, I came up with a little more "sophisticated" retention scheme (pictures 2 & 3) which makes the insulation panels much easier to remove for service. I fabricated thin wall steel cross members that bolt to the frame rails and used stainless steel "twist tabs" riveted to these cross member to retain the sheets of insulation.

                        Rob

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                        Rob,
                        I'm about to put some insulation on my Reflection 28BH. Is there a particular reason you only went with 1 inch foam. Was space an issue or was it just more economical with the thinner foam?
                        Thanks
                        Andrew

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by abacon09 View Post

                          Rob,
                          I'm about to put some insulation on my Reflection 28BH. Is there a particular reason you only went with 1 inch foam. Was space an issue or was it just more economical with the thinner foam?
                          Thanks
                          Andrew
                          Hi Andrew,

                          I missed your question . . . I went with 1" foam insulation because of space restriction. Reflections do not have batt insulation on top of the coroplast like is done on Solitude, so there is limited space below the tanks.

                          Rob
                          Cate & Rob
                          (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
                          2015 Reflection 303RLS
                          2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
                          Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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