I can understand your dilemma. My father had several Airstreams from a Bambi to a 31'. There were 5 of us so I always got the floor between the twin front bunks. I was Dad's go to driver on a lot of trips once I got my license so know how well mannered Airstreams can be to tow. You don't say what length your classic is or your tow vehicle. That could make a difference, especially as the GD 297RSTS will be heavier.

My dad towed with a Ford 350 extended van later once we kids moved out, so he had tons of storage in the van. He had his lapidary set up in it, and used a 3 seasons room attached to the trailer in Ft Myers Florida for the winter. I believe I can honestly tell you, you will be in for a huge change in towing and comfort - some negative. Every brand uses the same components, so the typical faults will be the same, but as you know Airstream is picky about what they use, and if I remember they make sure thier dealers perform - I hope it is the same now. . You may not be really happy with the change to be honest with you. Dad would not have any other brand. If possible take one for a test before you buy or if possible spend a night in one on the dealers lot. Its a big change from what you have.

To the GD folks - just being honest here.....I also turned down my father gifting me the 31' airstream as it was just too big for my needs then. I bought a used 17' dual axle Wilderness TT (towed by a full size Bronco) and that served us well for about 10 years until the kids got bigger and I moved up to a Wanderer bunkhouse 31' unit. Then I downsized to my 220RK.

Hope this helps - just want you to be happy later - its a big decision
Keith

On edit - be sure you know the value of your AS as in today's market as it actually cold be worth more than the GD unit your considering. You might want to consider doing a private sale rather than a trade. Just my 02 on this.

Keith: Thanks for your input - it is helpful. My Classic is 31’ and I tow it with a Ford F-250 Diesel longbed. I had to upgrade from an F-250 gas because the gas version was not sufficient to pull up or (especially) safely navigate down mountain grades. With 10,000 lbs pushing me downgrade I had too many white knuckle moments even with the downshifting and breaking (I don’t drive more than 60 mph most of the time and slower downgrade). The diesel performs great, really no effort at all up or down - and the exhaust break works wonders and keeps my drives under control and without the stress. The added torque I get from the diesel makes for easy starts off the stop and gives me the control I need on the road, especially merging on the highways. The only downside is the fuel, but I keep my engine maintained and have learned to navigate the truck stops and add the DEF - really no big deal. The 297RSTS I am considering is about 4-1/2 feet longer buts has the slightly less GVWR than my Airstream, so I am not worried about the weight. The higher profile (about 2 feet) will make a difference regarding towablity so I appreciate your insight. I also like the 16” wheels on my Airstream,which the 297RSTS also has.

What interests me more is the fit and finish of the GD. While Airstreams are not perfect they have less to worry about regarding “moving parts” such as slide outs, etc. The larger concern for Airstreams is the roof - it’s not really walkable and has many seams - I will be due for a major reseal in a few years. The other key points for me is the capacity of the grey tank - the GD has more than 2.5x the capacity of the AS - resulting in less pulls to empty, as well as the insulation of an AS - not super efficient in cooler weather as my furnace runs nearly non-stop. Aside from that it’s the extra living and storage space inside the GD - my wife and I often bump elbows inside the AS. When people ask me how manly the AS sleeps I joke, “only two”. Even though its 31’ in length, having more than two people (and a dog) inside is tight, even sitting and watching tv. I just worry about the quality fo the materials, fit and finish, and reliability of the GD systems - will I be disappointed and long for my AS?

Here’s the real kicker. A larger dealer gave me a quote on a 2022 297RSTS with a trade in of my AS so I am confident in the quote. I can take home the new unit PLUS $17,000 in cash! The value of my AS is high right now - hard not to pull the trigger from a monetary standpoint. I could sell my AS for more on my own but I will need a cash buyer since no private owner will get financing for a used RV outside a larger dealer that can offer it. Also, I bought my AS from a private party and it was a worry about the safety and legitimacy of the exchange of cash, title, etc. (thankfully they used the same bank as me so I had them come to the bank with me and complete a cash transfer - I did not want the risk of even a cashiers check bouncing). Also, obtaining the vehicle license is a hassle for the buyer. I am happy with the quote so that’s not an issue for me - and yes, I know the moment I drive the new unit off the lot I lose! But I intend to keep the unit for 5-7 years.

I appreciate your honesty and would like to hear from you with the added detail I gave, as well as from other GD owners who are willing to share their honest opinions about GD products and their experiences of trading into a GD from other premium RV products.

Rgg123
As far as fit and finish I believe GD is above average, but with any brand there are reported issues. Only you can tell. Look at as many units as you can and look behind drawers and under cabinets. Check wall seams and counter fitment. Look around the bath area and check caulking and fitment. Do you fit in the shower? Walk around the outside and check that things are true and straight. Get on the roof and check the roof material and factory caulking. If you really want to know there are folks (certified) that will inspect the unit for you, but even then they miss things.

When I decided to downsize I looked at Keystone's Cougar that was on the lot (2' longer than my 220RK). The Cougar had slam latches and some other nice features, but the layout and finish inside was not as nice, plus it was heavier. I also searched model reviews and Keystone seemed to have more issues than GD. Also there were more complaints on dealers and little to no factory support. That is a big plus that GD actually watches this forum and has excellence in customer service. In fact the moderators here just went back to the factory for discussions and training - which is unheard of with other brands.

So all I can say is do your homework, make sure the trailer layout works for you and has the features you must have, and then would like to have.

From what your saying it appears you getting a good deal. There are lots of excellent upgrades like solar and batterys that folks will help you spend money on

Hope this helps
Keith

The fellows that once ran Keystone started GDRV.

Jim

Rgg123 Well. Our Solitude is our 11th RV in 18 years (at one point, we had three different types at once!). Two RVs ago was a custom ordered Jayco Seneca that came with or developed so many issues that we traded in on a Cardinal fifth wheel 7 months after delivery. The Cardinal something broke every time we used it, and we used it frequently. We ordered our Solitude in August of 2020, and took delivery in December. I just dropped it off at the dealer for its third and final warranty visit (so many back ordered parts due to all the industry shortages). We are delighted with how well it is performing for us, and the support we have received from GD. When a number of us with this floor plan shared on here that we were all having the same issues with our kitchen slideouts, some of the moderators reached out to GD on our behalf to see if anything could be done to address the issue. Weren't we surprised when the phone rang and it was GD customer service calling to assist with scheduling an inspection visit so that a plan for repair could be initiated. The second of two slideout mechanisms is to be replaced at this visit, 5 months after the warranty expired. Would have been replaced sooner if parts were more available, but the dealer was able to adjust and at least make the old parts usable, so no downtime. That, to me, is incredible (thank you again, moderators!! Yay)

In 2005, we bought a Mobile Suites fifth wheel, which was made by Doubletree RV (they got sued over the name by the hotel chain and lost, now known as DRV). At that time, that company was in its fourth year of business, and was independent (the founder had started Sunnybrook rv years prior, and sold it). Was the best built RV we have owned, and somehow everytime we go shopping, everything we look at gets compared back to that unit. Was very well made, and we only had a couple of minor issues. Of all the units we have owned, only the GD unit comes close in quality. While I am not complaining, the DRV unit has a much stouter frame, which is built in house.

I think the airstream line is probably a slower build process than what the volume manufacturers--like GD--is able to do. With that, we think our build quality is good. The cabinets and doors feel sturdy and operate properly. It can effectively control its own climate, at least in our Western climate. It tows nicely, and nothing feels or gives the impression of "cheap". And the manufacturer stands behind what they sell you. (at least they did for us). So if the layout your looking at works better than what you have, I would consider it an improvement rather than a step down. You will be losing that Airstream "aura" but gaining a lot of functionality.

My .02

Dave

Thanks to everyone for responding. The past two days I visited two different dealers and viewed the 295RL. Both dealers were good but the second rep was more knowledgeable on the GD line - spent 90 minutes going over every aspect of the unit and tools me things about GD service that I was unaware of (like there national team of service specialists that attend rallies and can even be dispatched to address issues if you are in the area). Even things like the use of Mylar tape on every seam to help prevent water intrusion - plus lots more. The more I saw and heard the more convinced I became the GD is for real. The only thing I saw that I would improve is the construction of the drawers - fairly thin plywood and the use of staples on the joints instead of something that will hold up over time. Otherwise, not mush else I could see that needs improvement for the price point.

Looking at the shower stall (which is much bigger than t5he AS), I commented on the gap at the bottom of the shower walls - asked if owners chalk it. The rep said that is designed that way to provide some “give” while transporting, and that the back side of the wall extends up about 4 inches so it is unlikely any water will get behind the wall and is designed NOT to chalk - I was amazed at the detail the rep knew. He told me that he cannot suggest another product line that would fit my needs and approach the quality of the Airstream other than GD (again, at the price point I am considering). He also told me that I will never regret moving from a travel trailer to a fifth wheel - much easier to drive, maneuver, and comfort of the ride (I am sure I will miss the “porpoise” effect! NOT!). However, the wife wants to keep the Airstream for now - so no go for me at the moment. Wish me luck and thanks again!

15 months ago we sold our Airstream Flying Cloud 30’ and purchased a GD 312 bhts 37’ trailer. We loved our airstream but needed more room for extended months long trips. The airstream suspension and towing characteristics are better. Plus the airstream had thicker panels for walls. The GD has tons of room and is so comfortable to live in. We love it. Yes, it has slides. But they work pretty good. And the cabinetry is good too. Not quite airstream but pretty good.

The GD has fantastic aftermarket warranty policy and response. The nautilus panel for managing water systems is way better than the Airstream.

they both have pretty much the same appliances.

our airstream held its value but we live the room in our GD. The grandkids can come and stay with us now.

Well, I pulled the trigger and will trade in my 2016 Airstream Classic for the 2022 GD 295RL. I pick it up on Friday! The value of my AS held up very well, and I will walk away with cash back in my pocket. But I gain much more storage and living space, a great layout, and updated systems. Thanks again for the input! I am now a proud GD owner and look forward to contributing to this forum.

Well that is exciting! How did you get the wife to change her mind (some of us here could use a little help) .

Brian

Congrats. However the important question is........................ is the wife happy?

Now you will need a good 5th wheel hitch. I would recommend the B&W. It made in America and thier customer service/tech support is tops. Does you truck have the puck system or bed rails. B&W has models to fit both, including one that just uses the goose neck .

Hope this helps

Well, the wife is not exactly happy……..(I know, bad on my part, but the deal is too good). I believe she will love it once we live it for a week or so…..otherwise expect me to do lots of solo trips :(. She admits it makes all the factual sense but she loves the AS aura. She made me promise that if she absolutely hates it I must buy her a new AS.

I do not have the puck system and I will likely get the Curt A20 hitch - don’t need the slider because of the Turning Point Pin Box (and yes, they will add the correct wedge to match the Curt A20). I appreciate your comments on the B&W as I have also considered that one and like the reviews. But the Curt has some features that will help a fifth wheel newbie like me. Wish me luck, on many fronts!

I also appreciate your views on stabilizers - I am leaning towards the Morryde X-Block stabilizer rather than a tripod. Once installed, it stays in place and has great reviews. I also intend on purchasing the SnapPads.

I am curious as to the "But the Curt has some features that will help a fifth wheel newbie like me" statement. Would you mind elaborating? If it is the lock indicator scale you need to be aware not to trust it and always do a pull test after hooking up. There are also reports of jaws getting stuck, just like the Reese Titan R20 I have. My Reese also has and indicator that can give false readings. With my New truck I am going with the B&W. Its actually fool proof as it will not lock unless hooked up correctly and has the advantage of being driven out if if in a bind at a camp site I could not do that with my Reese, and I don't think you can do that with a Curt. What I mean by that is unlock the hitch and if the jaws dont open still be able to drive out

I posted a thread on my hitch change.

I am not sure how much research you have done, but search CurtA20 failures. Do the same for the B&W. There is a nice comparison thread over on the Forrest River forums too. Its a comparison between the Curt and B&W

As for stabilizers I have the Steadyfast system. It stabilizes for/ aft as will as side to side. Works very well. http://www.steadyfast.com/

Just trying to help

When you get a chance read the welcome letter here and fill out you signature as to trailer and tow vehicle. It helps us help you later. Also enter the vin for you trailer in your profile. That helps GD know your exact build if ever needed.

Safe travels and keep SWMBO "she who must be obeyed" aka wife. happy

Well, you got me thinking now. I had considered the B&W but most reviews said it is heavier than the Curt. But the B&W patriot 18k Slider may solve that issue and be a better match for me. My new unit will be 11,000 lbs fully loaded. I have capacity for 3000 lbs in my F250 diesel. Have you had any experience or heard anything about the B&W Patriot 18k?

and thx for the recommendation on the Steadyfast - looks like a winner.

All I can say is everything I have heard about B&W has been positive. Most sites have a 5 star rating. If you have the short box a slider hitch is the ticket. I look into them when I was considering a short box. https://www.bwtrailerhitches.com/pro...th-wheel-hitch. What is great with the B&W is the head is interchangeable with any base they offer, so down the road you have options.
However you 5th wheel does come with the turning point pin box, so a slider may not be necessary with the Ford. I have the turning point box and don't use it (keep it locked out) with my 8' bed. Others use them. Do a search on the thoughts. Rob @Cate&Rob uses a slider in his Ford SB pickup, and is probably an expert source on its use.

Here is a good review on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sizB-P-zMLI Note the one issue he had as it slides back 12" and the easy solution.

Again hope this helps.
Keith

On edit - if you do decide on the B&W shop around and ask about discounts. I got a great deal from these folks on mine. https://partshawk.com. No tax and free shipping too - but double check. They do respond to emails too.