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  • A little help with the numbers. 1/2 ton and 2600RB

    Hello all,

    I am looking for a little guidance regarding my tow situation. Please forgive the lengthy post.

    I have a 2018 Chevy Silverado 1500 with 6.2L V8 with towing package. Using an E-q-ualizer WDH Here are the stickers from the chevy.

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    Here is the trailering guide for Chevrolet in 2018


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    According to the above my vehicle has a max rating of 11,7003lbs


    The trailer is a 2021 2600 RB. Per GDRV UVW = 5725lbs Hitch wt = 594 and GVWR = 7850lbs
    Sticker from trailer tires says: cargo should not exceed 1680lbs


    Here is my weigh ticket with loaded trailer and vehicle, with WDH engaged. Note: in the vehicle are 2 people totaling 300lbs and 2 dogs totaling 200lbs, and approximately 100lbs of cargo. So almost 600lbs of cargo. A lot, I know, but you tell the SO or dogs they can't come along, I'll stand back and wait for the fireworks.


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    So on our first trip to camp the trailer felt "heavy" and it felt like I was being pushed a bit. The weigh ticket above was on the way home, subsequently the ride home was much better and we didn't shed much weight at the campground.

    I plugged in some info into couple of spreadsheets made by wonderful people in this community, forgive me for not giving due credit, and got these results.

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    So based on all of this. I am concerned that my vehicle will handle the trailer but my available payload capacity is not good at all or next to none.

    Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!

    Roillingtide

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    Kevin
    2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
    2021 Imagine 2600RB

  • #2
    Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post
    Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated.
    Almost too much information--I can't figure out the basic weights (too early in the morning)? There's an array of individuals that are quite good at figuring this stuff out, so I expect they'll chime in soon.

    In the meantime, there's a recent thread with a similar issue. Please read the entire thread--it contains a lot of information that will help: https://gdrvowners.com/towing-and-hi...mk2670-weights

    In addition, this post has a lot of basic info (which you seem to already know): https://gdrvowners.com/towing-and-hi...2771#post12771

    Howard
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    Howard & Francine
    2017 Ford F-350 DRW, '19 315RLTSPlus

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    • #3
      It’s a lot especially with the spreadsheets.

      What I see from your weight ticket steer + drive axle = 7500, 300 over your truck’s GVWR of 7200. Your rear axle 4100 - 3950 = 50 over. I suspect your truck’s GCWR is somewhere around 16,000 to 17,000? If so, you’re okay there based on your weight ticket.

      I’ve used this online calculator which is simple but does require three weighs at the scales. Results will be at the bottom once you plug your weights in.

      http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...ailerCatScales

      2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
      2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
      Andersen WDH
      Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
      2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
      2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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      • #4
        Your payload of 1335 is light, due to the 22" wheels. For reference, my 2017 Imagine 2600RB fully loaded and with full water (worse case) has a tongue weight of around 950 lbs where my axle weights are around 3500lb with a 1740 lb payload limit on my half ton GMC.

        I'm away from home and do not have my weight sheets with me, but in your case you may want to start out with an empty trailer and begin adding in only the essentials (little to no water) where shopping for supplies could be done when you reach your destination.

        Jim

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        • #5
          We’d need a weigh ticket from the same trip without the trailer connected to be sure (same exact loading in the truck), but it looks like you’re well over the payload capacity of the truck. If your trailer Has any storage behind the axles, you might want to move cargo from the bed of the truck to the trailer, that should reduce the weight on the truck, and increase the weight of the trailer (which seems to have payload available). That said be warned, if you reduce your tongue weight too much (moving weight begins the axle), it can lead to trailer sway.
          Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

          Neil Citro
          2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
          2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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          • #6
            Thank you all for the reply! Another trip to the scales is definitely needed. One quick question. Did you have to make adjustments to your WDH after initial install?
            Kevin
            2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
            2021 Imagine 2600RB

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post
              Thank you all for the reply! Another trip to the scales is definitely needed. One quick question. Did you have to make adjustments to your WDH after initial install?
              After the first time when you make all of the measurements and adjustments you should only need to adjust it if you significantly change the loading in the trailer.
              Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

              Neil Citro
              2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
              2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post
                Thank you all for the reply! Another trip to the scales is definitely needed. One quick question. Did you have to make adjustments to your WDH after initial install?
                If you’re not already using it at the scales, download the WeighMyTruck app from CAT. Makes it very easy since you won’t need to go into the gas station building to pay and pick up your ticket. It’s emailed as soon as you’re finished weighing. Plenty of helpful YouTube videos on it.
                2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
                2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
                Andersen WDH
                Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
                2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
                2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tigger1 View Post
                  It’s a lot especially with the spreadsheets.

                  What I see from your weight ticket steer + drive axle = 7500, 300 over your truck’s GVWR of 7200. Your rear axle 4100 - 3950 = 50 over. I suspect your truck’s GCWR is somewhere around 16,000 to 17,000? If so, you’re okay there based on your weight ticket.

                  I’ve used this online calculator which is simple but does require three weighs at the scales. Results will be at the bottom once you plug your weights in.

                  http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...ailerCatScales
                  Tigger1. Forgive me on the info overload. My GCWR is 15,000.

                  I made another trip to the scales. I plugged the data into: http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...railerCatScale

                  Results:

                  Gross Combined Weight 12,580 This weight should not exceed your truck's GCWR.

                  Truck Weight (hitched + WDH engaged) 6,640 This weight should not exceed your truck's GVWR.

                  Truck Weight (hitched; no WDH) 6,660

                  Truck Weight (truck only) 5,980

                  Camper Weight 6,600

                  Tongue Weight 680

                  Tongue Weight Percentage 10.3 %

                  Based on this info, I feel comfortable that the truck can handle the trailer, however my fear is that I have very little to play with in terms of adding payload to truck and/or trailer. The payload calculator at www.towingplanner.com confirmed my thoughts based on my current situation with the SO and two large dogs (300lbs total) being present on most trips.

                  Kevin
                  2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
                  2021 Imagine 2600RB

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post

                    Tigger1. Forgive me on the info overload. My GCWR is 15,000.

                    I made another trip to the scales. I plugged the data into: http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...railerCatScale

                    Results:

                    Gross Combined Weight 12,580 This weight should not exceed your truck's GCWR.

                    Truck Weight (hitched + WDH engaged) 6,640 This weight should not exceed your truck's GVWR.

                    Truck Weight (hitched; no WDH) 6,660

                    Truck Weight (truck only) 5,980

                    Camper Weight 6,600

                    Tongue Weight 680

                    Tongue Weight Percentage 10.3 %

                    Based on this info, I feel comfortable that the truck can handle the trailer, however my fear is that I have very little to play with in terms of adding payload to truck and/or trailer. The payload calculator at www.towingplanner.com confirmed my thoughts based on my current situation with the SO and two large dogs (300lbs total) being present on most trips.
                    What happened between yesterday when your GCW was 13,640 and today 12,580?
                    2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
                    2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
                    Andersen WDH
                    Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
                    2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
                    2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tigger1 View Post

                      What happened between yesterday when your GCW was 13,640 and today 12,580?
                      That was fully loaded with another person, two large dogs and cargo. I emptied the camper and truck and then weighed again “empty.”
                      Kevin
                      2020 Ford F250 6.7 Powerstroke
                      2021 Imagine 2600RB

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post

                        That was fully loaded with another person, two large dogs and cargo. I emptied the camper and truck and then weighed again “empty.”
                        When you go camping again with a fully loaded truck, full tank of gas & loaded trailer, weigh it again. That’s the only way you will know if you are under/over your limits in different areas like GVWR, GCWR, GAWR, tongue.
                        2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
                        2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
                        Andersen WDH
                        Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
                        2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
                        2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rollingtide View Post

                          Tigger1. Forgive me on the info overload. My GCWR is 15,000.

                          I made another trip to the scales. I plugged the data into: http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...railerCatScale

                          Results:

                          Gross Combined Weight 12,580 This weight should not exceed your truck's GCWR.

                          Truck Weight (hitched + WDH engaged) 6,640 This weight should not exceed your truck's GVWR.

                          Truck Weight (hitched; no WDH) 6,660

                          Truck Weight (truck only) 5,980

                          Camper Weight 6,600

                          Tongue Weight 680

                          Tongue Weight Percentage 10.3 %

                          Based on this info, I feel comfortable that the truck can handle the trailer, however my fear is that I have very little to play with in terms of adding payload to truck and/or trailer. The payload calculator at www.towingplanner.com confirmed my thoughts based on my current situation with the SO and two large dogs (300lbs total) being present on most trips.


                          I think you need to check the adjustment of the equalizer hitch using front bumper measurements per the equalizer manual. You need to do these measurements with truck and trailer loaded for camping.

                          When the dealer installed and adjusted the WDH everything was empty so they could only give you their best guess for the adjustment.

                          In order to get my 2020 2600rb w/equalizer hitch correctly adjusted (after coming home from the dealer) I had to add washers and lower my "L" brackets.

                          Also 10.3% is a light tongue weight. Around 12%-13% would tow better but you stand the risk of going beyond your trucks CCC. Also do you know what your trucks hitch capacity rating is (you want to stay within that limit also)

                          One final thought - checking weights without being loaded for camping doesn't serve any purpose.
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                          Charles and Susan
                          2021 Ram 3500 6.4 Hemi, 4x4 CCSB
                          Andersen Hitch
                          2021 Reflection 337rls

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tigger1 View Post
                            It’s a lot especially with the spreadsheets.

                            What I see from your weight ticket steer + drive axle = 7500, 300 over your truck’s GVWR of 7200. Your rear axle 4100 - 3950 = 50 over. I suspect your truck’s GCWR is somewhere around 16,000 to 17,000? If so, you’re okay there based on your weight ticket.

                            I’ve used this online calculator which is simple but does require three weighs at the scales. Results will be at the bottom once you plug your weights in.

                            http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualW...ailerCatScales
                            I’ll guess that his GCVWR is much closer to 14,500 but I’m sure there is GM reference material available that will show the exact GCVWR for his specific truck. I’m not familiar with GM but Ford offers charts showing every possible configuration for each MY so it’s easy to follow the charts.
                            Dave and Sue
                            2020 GD 2250RK
                            2019 F-150 XLT, 5.0, 4WD, SB
                            Curt 17500 WDH, 3.55
                            GY Endurance, Dexter EZ Flex
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Schiefswret View Post

                              I’ll guess that his GCVWR is much closer to 14,500 but I’m sure there is GM reference material available that will show the exact GCVWR for his specific truck. I’m not familiar with GM but Ford offers charts showing every possible configuration for each MY so it’s easy to follow the charts.
                              Noticed in your signature Dexter EZ Flex. We did the same. Have two pulls so far, not long distances, but around our neighbor and getting to the beltway it seems to have smoothed out the pot holes. Have you noticed any difference? We went with GY Endurance too.
                              2010 Tundra SR5 DC 5.7L
                              2020 Imagine XLS 22MLE
                              Andersen WDH
                              Dexter E-Z Flex Suspension Kit
                              2018 Rockwood Mini Lite 2104s
                              2014 Jayco x17z Hybrid

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