Good evening to all! I posted something earlier and think I did it on a different page. Sorry. I read though some post and seen again guy asking the same thing but don’t how it worked out or the conclusion was. So me and my wife is taking owner ship of a 2021 GD 268BH. 7791 empty 1274 pin weight. TV 2017 250 6.7 4x4 CC. I looked on the towing chart for ford and shows I can tow 14003 in the bed. But at the bottom of the chart it says 10% and another section says 15%. So do I use the 10 or 15. The 15 says 5th wheel the 10 says 5th wheel with king pin trailer. So use 10 or 15? Also payload is 2113 on my truck. Is anyone doing this set up? Or any thoughts? Thanks!! Any help ?
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Fifth wheel pin weight generally gets closer to 20% , mine runs about 19% with just the general weekend stuff stored in the trailer. At a gross weight of 9995 # you could actually have a pin weight of 2000 # if loaded to the gross weight , this is what most owners figure for when purchasing a truck and trailer.
BrianBrian & Michelle
2018 Reflection 29RS
2022 Chevy 3500HD
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When you get the actual trailer, your empty weight and pin weight will be much different than what the brochure states. For example, I have a Momentum 21G. The website shows the empty weight as 6400# and tongue weight of 920#. Actual empty weight is 7219# and actual empty tongue weight is 1210#.
If pin weight of the 268BH is 20% and the trailer is at the 9995# max load, that's about 2000# pin weight.Allen
2021 Momentum 21G
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Thanks for the information. So why did they figure 16% 7791 to get the pin weight? So what can my truck pin weight should be to be safe? 15% is 2100 and 10%is 1400. Another thing is that I am going to put all my heavy weight in the rear would that work?? Also does a Anderson hitch be better or a 20k b and w hitch? Use air bags? What number should I being trying to get with the camper and truck? Just lost on this. I seen a good bit of 37 foot 5th wheel pulled with a 250 like mine.
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If you are talking about the Andersen ultimate hitch that is a reverse ball, it voids the frame warranty. The B&W is a good hitch, heavy as some state, but good solid hitch.
If you want to go to a goose neck ball style hitch, LCI (you will need to check for your specific frame) only allows the Reese Gooseball replacement of the forward pin box without voiding the warranty. This also give you air ride in the connection. I think BRBRV did a review on one and the only issue he seemed to have was disconnecting as it sometime required him to lower the air pressure so he could get the truck out from under the ball receiver.
Most people recommend 20% - 25% of trailer weight for a 5th wheel or goose neck trailer load. GD numbers posted could be slightly out of date on MFG, could be calculated weights, or what they measured on one production unit. Each trailer will have a different pin weight. May not be much, or it could be extreme, depending on how its loaded when weighed.Joseph
Tow Vehicle: 2024 GMC K3500 Denali Ultimate Diesel
Coach: 303RLS Delivered March 5, 2021
South of Houston Texas
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250 Beast There is another thread taking about weight distribution and how much it takes off the hitch. Think of your trailer as a big torque wrench. Location of load X distance from CL of axles in both directions will be equal. Pin weight is part of the equation. Any loads not equalized out will result in pin weight (assuming you do not overload the rear and lift the front BAD BAD BAD things come to mind). Use positive and negative distance values.
If you take all of the known weights you already have, then start adding in weights with distances from the center line of the axles, sum up the distance X weight numbers keeping the signs for distance. The resulting number divided by the distance from the axle to the king pin is the change in king pin weight.Joseph
Tow Vehicle: 2024 GMC K3500 Denali Ultimate Diesel
Coach: 303RLS Delivered March 5, 2021
South of Houston Texas
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Originally posted by 250 Beast View PostOk. I see what ur saying. Thanks
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Neil Citro
2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab
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Originally posted by 250 Beast View PostThanks. Thats what I thought. So I be probably be 600 maybe over payload. Pull it or not pull it?
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Neil Citro
2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab
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Originally posted by 250 Beast View PostIt’s crazy that GD camper figure 16%.
Other Reflection 150 Series owners have reported "loaded for camping" pin weights of less than 20%. Also, you don't have to load the trailer to GVWR . . . in fact, if you tow with empty tanks, loading 2200 lbs of "stuff" into that trailer would probably be difficult to do. Lets assume that you carry 1200 lbs of "stuff". Trailer weight becomes 9000 lbs with likely less than 20% (1800 lbs) on the pin.
Only you can decide whether you are comfortable doing this with your truck. Many won't go over the label payload, but many others do. I specifically don't want to restart that debate! There are many 3/4 ton trucks towing much bigger 5th wheel trailer than the Grand Design (half ton towable) 150 Series.
RobCate & Rob
(with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
2015 Reflection 303RLS
2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
Bayham, Ontario, Canada
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I think the 25% max pin box weight is more of a frame design thing than stability, but I can see that if it gets too light it may act like a bumper pull. Never really seen this documented for a 5er or gooseneck trailer.
5er and gooseneck trailers can have higher "pin" weight because its not hanging off the rear of the truck. Think what would happen if you put 2000 lbs on the ball of a truck. It might lift the front tires completely off the ground. If there is that much weight pulled from the steering axle with out a WDH, I would be extremely scared of the combined vehicle.
I travel for work, and I've seen how some of those migrant turn around workers pack. I think the strangest thing was a tundra with a Harley in the bed (not the little one either) and camper in tow with no WDH. It scared me enough to wait till he left and ensured i went the other way. I think I could have picked up the front end and had someone change the tires. The rear was clearly on the overload stops. Too much of an angle on a parking lot ramp and he would have drug the ball.
Just because something appears to hold the load, does not always mean its right. Had he taken the time and weighted the assembly, he would know it was all wrong.Joseph
Tow Vehicle: 2024 GMC K3500 Denali Ultimate Diesel
Coach: 303RLS Delivered March 5, 2021
South of Houston Texas
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