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**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 02:20 PM

Thank u all ! Guess we want be getting a camper.. Not interested to go back to a 350-or a dually just to pull a 26bh. My TT vibe loaded 7700 pounds. So I guess I am over on my camper I tow now. Thanks again for all the help.

**ncitro** · 04-09-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by 250 Beast View Post

Thank u all ! Guess we want be getting a camper.. Not interested to go back to a 350-or a dually just to pull a 26bh. My TT vibe loaded 7700 pounds. So I guess I am over on my camper I tow now. Thanks again for all the help.

No problem, and Rob is right, you don’t need to load to the GVWR. It’s possible to make it work if it’s truly what you want, the decision always has to be yours.

**Cate&Rob** · 04-09-2021, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Jlawles2 View Post

Just because something appears to hold the load, does not always mean its right.

Don't worry . . . you will be fine . . . as long as you have that hand whittled post under the hitch . . .

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 04:49 PM

Went to the camper place to look around again. Pulled in and a 250 gas was pulling a 30 rl dry weight was 10,000 pounds.

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 04:53 PM

I might try to see if they let me pull it before I buy it. If pulls good I might jump on it.

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 05:08 PM

Does gas have more payload than a diesel? How much?

**Cate&Rob** · 04-09-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by 250 Beast View Post

Does gas have more payload than a diesel? How much?

A diesel powertrain weighs about 800 lbs more than a gasoline powertrain . . . so, for comparably equipped trucks, this will be the reduction in payload.

Rob

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 07:14 PM

Oh got it.didn’t think gasser and diesel was that different from motor weight. Guess I never thought of it. It drop 3.5 inch in the rear and set level. Would the gvwr would be high than a diesel and axles? The guy told me that he would be pushing GCW for truck and camper. He would be 100 pounds away from it. He was over payload by 400 just the way it seats. He usually boon camp so it would be more he said.

**ncitro** · 04-09-2021, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by 250 Beast View Post

Oh got it.didn’t think gasser and diesel was that different from motor weight. Guess I never thought of it. It drop 3.5 inch in the rear and set level. Would the gvwr would be high than a diesel and axles? The guy told me that he would be pushing GCW for truck and camper. He would be 100 pounds away from it. He was over payload by 400 just the way it seats. He usually boon camp so it would be more he said.

I think you’re asking if the GVWR of a diesel and gas F250 would be different, no they would be the same. A 350 or duality increases the payload.

Disregard the dry weight, it’s pretty much meaningless unfortunately. The dealer may show you the weigh sheet from when it left the factory, that will be a bit more useful, but remember that won’t include propane or a battery.

**howson** · 04-09-2021, 08:50 PM

ncitro -- but the available payload will be greater in the gasser vs the diesel assuming the trucks are identically equipped (except for the engine choice).

250 Beast -- back-of-the-napkin example with guestimated numbers.

An F-250 has a 10K GVWR.

Two identical trucks (except for motor) parked side-by-side. One is equipped with a gas engine, the other with a diesel. The gas truck weighs 7,800 pounds ("curb weight"), the diesel 8,300 lbs.

That means the available payload (seemingly always the limiting factor with a tow vehicle) of the gasser is 500 lbs more than the diesel. The trade-off, of course, is the amazing torque provided by a diesel.

**ncitro** · 04-09-2021, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by howson View Post

ncitro -- but the available payload will be greater in the gasser vs the diesel assuming the trucks are identically equipped (except for the engine choice).

250 Beast -- back-of-the-napkin example with guestimated numbers.

An F-250 has a 10K GVWR.

Two identical trucks (except for motor) parked side-by-side. One is equipped with a gas engine, the other with a diesel. The gas truck weighs 7,800 pounds ("curb weight"), the diesel 8,300 lbs.

That means the available payload (seemingly always the limiting factor with a tow vehicle) of the gasser is 500 lbs more than the diesel. The trade-off, of course, is the amazing torque provided by a diesel.

That’s right, that’s why I wasn’t sure what he was asking. It seemed like he was asking if the diesel had a higher GVWR to make the available payload the same (which isn’t true), but again it was unclear what he was asking.

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 09:50 PM

Sorry? It was if the diesel was higher on GVWR than gas. It shocked me on his numbers and it was a gasser. So he would be over weight correct? He told my he was told by ford to go by the rear axle rate and what the tire load is. Thanks and sorry I made it so jacked up

**acoleman43** · 04-09-2021, 10:02 PM

GVWR comes down to multiple factors including packages. In the 3/4 ton lineup:

Ford F250 has a standard GVWR of 10,000#. But, there is a package that increases the GVWR to 10,800#.
GM Silverado/Sierra 2500 has a standard GVWR of 10,000#. But there are several packages for 10,650# and 11,350#.
Ram (Dodge) 2500 is always 10,000# GVWR

Same is true for 1/2 ton. Packages can affect the GVWR.

An example: I have a 2020 F250 with the 10,800# GVWR package. For this package a diesel is required. My available payload is 3166#. It would be very difficult for a gas F250 to match this as they all have 10,000# GVWR.

In the end it all comes down to you making a decision about your setup and what you are comfortable with and willing to do. If you have access to your new trailer, look at the yellow-ish sticker on the driver side toward the front. THat will give you the exact empty weight of that specific trailer with the exact pin weight for that specific trailer. I think that will help you with your decision.

**250 Beast** · 04-09-2021, 10:51 PM

I looked today the dry weight was 7900 pounds and then at 16-17% between 1200-1350 pin weight dint see a pin weight on it. Loaded 9995. Kinda have decided to get it if they let me tow it first. Thoughts??

**Guest** · 04-10-2021, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Cate&Rob View Post

A diesel powertrain weighs about 800 lbs more than a gasoline powertrain . . . so, for comparably equipped trucks, this will be the reduction in payload.

Rob

The brakes and handling are also part of the door jamb limits where most any vehicle is capable of pulling the load against manufacturers advice. GM has simplified this with their new grey tag and towing guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQSTMYNqBW8

https://www.gmc.com/trailering-towing

Jim

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