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    I know everyone is different and has different likes, but humor me here. If it was just you, your spouse/significant other, and your 13 year old, which floorplan would you prefer?Even though my heart is so set on the 31MB, I think it's just too big for us (and our truck). So, these are my other 2 choices. I'm torn on needing bunks or not.

    Your thoughts?

    Edited to add my 13 yr old is a boy LOL.
    Last edited by Confused Searcher; 09-11-2020, 02:16 PM.

  • #2
    I guess my consideration would focus on your daughter and how long she will be traveling with you. The fold out couch bed is not comfortable IMO and setting it up at night would be a PIA if you want to stay up to watch TV or whatever. I think for me I would go with the BH model.
    Paul and Deb Cervone
    2022 Imagine XLS 22MLE
    2021 Imagine XLS 17MKE - SOLD; 2015 Reflection 337RLS - SOLD
    2016 GMC Denali 3500 SRW

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    • #3
      I agree with Paul, but there are some other criteria to think about also.

      1. Our trailer has the kitchen on the curb side. This limits the view on the side that you will spend most of your time outdoors. With the 295, your picture windows will be on the door side. With the 278, the windows will be on the driver's side and looking into your neighbor's campsite.

      2. The 295 has a pantry, the 278 does not. We had a pantry in our first GDRV rig, but don't have one now. It's a feature we really miss.

      3. With two opposing slides, you'll have more square footage in the 295.

      4. If you purchase the 278 for the bunk house, you can remodel the bunk area into an office once your daughter stops traveling with you.

      Tough decisions. Personally, I'd go with the 295.

      Jim
      Jim and Ginnie
      2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
      GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
      GDRV Rally Support Coordinator

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Confused Searcher View Post
        I know everyone is different and has different likes, but humor me here. If it was just you, your spouse/significant other, and your 13 year old, which floorplan would you prefer?
        The lack of a pantry makes the 278BH a non-starter for my DW. I insisted on having "theater seating" directly across from the TV, so again, the 278BH wouldn't work for us.

        The living room layout of the 295 is the same as my 315RLTS with the bedroom of a 297RSTS. It is a very comfortable layout--but Paul ( Paul & Deb ) is right about the fold out couch. It's awful. Have a salesman unfold one and then lay on it. It's not level. Why Lippert (the OEM of the couch) hasn't fixed this is frustrating. I personally confronted the factory manager at the LCI factory about this very issue about a year ago.

        So if the layout of the 295 is better, go into the purchase knowing you'll have to replace the couch with a different couch. Your daughter will hate it. (Maybe Lippert has fixed the couch? If so--let me know when you test it!)

        Otherwise...those of use with a similar floorplan love the layout.

        Howard
        Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

        Howard & Francine
        2017 Ford F-350 DRW, '19 315RLTSPlus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TucsonJim View Post
          I agree with Paul, but there are some other criteria to think about also.

          1. Our trailer has the kitchen on the curb side. This limits the view on the side that you will spend most of your time outdoors. With the 295, your picture windows will be on the door side. With the 278, the windows will be on the driver's side and looking into your neighbor's campsite.

          2. The 295 has a pantry, the 278 does not. We had a pantry in our first GDRV rig, but don't have one now. It's a feature we really miss.

          3. With two opposing slides, you'll have more square footage in the 295.

          4. If you purchase the 278 for the bunk house, you can remodel the bunk area into an office once your daughter stops traveling with you.

          Tough decisions. Personally, I'd go with the 295.

          Jim
          Yeah, I noticed the 278 doesn't have a dedicated pantry. I guess our stuff could go in the cabinets above the sink? Not a big fan of that but it's not a huge deal I guess. I didn't even think about the windows issue. That makes it more difficult LOL! BTW, my 13 year old is a boy.

          Tucson Jim, you helped me yesterday with my post about the 31MB and our towing capacities. I do appreciate your help but I really think a lighter fifth wheel will be better for many reasons.

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          • #6
            I would pick the 278 because making sure my child enjoyed camping would be my #1 priority. You only have five more years with him at home and only about three with him still wanting to do things with his parents. With a bunk model, your son (and a friend) can hang out there and do their thing in their own space. They can leave all their junk there and make a mess and it won't bother you and your wife. In all other respects, I prefer the 295.

            You and your wife can get the model you prefer for yourselves when your son is out on his own.
            Brian & Kellie
            2020 Grand Design Solitude 310GK-R, FBP, MORryde IS, 1,460w solar and 540ah BBGC3
            2020 Ford F-350 Platinum SRW PSD Tremor, 60g TF fuel tank, Hensley BD3-F air bag hitch

            Previous setups:
            2019 Grand Design Solitude 373FB-R, 2019 Ford F-350 Platinum DRW Powerstroke, Hensley BD5 air bag hitch
            2016 Grand Design Reflection 318RST, 2016 GMC 3500 Denali SRW Duramax, Hensley BD3 air bag hitch

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            • #7
              If I have to pick one from the two you proposed I would select the 278BH. However I don't think either are ideal. I would not select the 295RL, considered a 'couples coach' and the same layout as our Imagine 2970RL. My wife and I love ours but we don't have a third individual that needs sleeping quarters.

              I agree with bertschb in that if you want your son to enjoy camping he needs his own sleeping quarters. Not be in the way when you all are up early and trying to make breakfast or your coffee. If you're spending this amount of money it should be what is needed for everyone.
              Mike & Lisa
              Central Florida
              2021 Imagine 2970RL
              1996 Chevy K3500 Crew SRW 7.4L Gas

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bertschb View Post
                I would pick the 278 because making sure my child enjoyed camping would be my #1 priority. You only have five more years with him at home and only about three with him still wanting to do things with his parents. With a bunk model, your son (and a friend) can hang out there and do their thing in their own space. They can leave all their junk there and make a mess and it won't bother you and your wife. In all other respects, I prefer the 295.

                You and your wife can get the model you prefer for yourselves when your son is out on his own.
                Really, really good points.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Confused Searcher View Post
                  ...Even though my heart is so set on the 31MB, I think it's just too big for us (and our truck).
                  Can I bore you with a story?

                  About three years ago I bought a brand new Ford F-250 Platinum truck. It was a dream to have such a nice vehicle and based on "my" research I could "pull anything". (I was wrong.) When forum members educated me about the "sticker" (payload capacity) I was devastated, because it meant hauling my Honda Goldwing in the truck bed while pulling a 315RLTS was not possible. At least not while staying within the truck's specs. (I've learned a LOT since those days!)

                  That led to a six-month or more search for an alternative camper, because the DW was adamant--we were NOT getting another truck.

                  We finally settled on a Rockwood trailer that met our minimum requirements, but the DW did not love the trailer like she loved the 315RLTS. (And the Rockwood, obviously, wasn't a Grand Design so the interactions with all the individuals I had on the Grand Design focused forum would go away, too.)

                  So the day came when there was no other trailers to research or look at. I told my wife, "OK, let's go get the Rockwood." Her expression said it all--it was that sad, disappointed face of an unhappy woman. The next words out of my mouth were, "We are not going to compound a mistake with a second mistake."

                  I could make this story longer but I traded my beloved, new F-250 for a used F-350 DRW (that is literally the same model, color, interior and options as my 250). I call the whole experience a "$5,000 life lesson" (about the amount I lost versus buying the 350 the first time).

                  The DW, of course, then got her 315RLTS. We've never regretted the decision.

                  Just food for thought...

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                  Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

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                  2017 Ford F-350 DRW, '19 315RLTSPlus

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                  • #10
                    Lots of good points made here already and I agree with most or even all.

                    What I would look at may be a little back words.

                    Your son , being 13 , in 3 years or less may be involved in something that may limit your camp outings , sports , after school activities , so this may limit the use of the RV. Also as noted above he may not wish to camp as much in 3 years and the 2 of you will be on your own. Unless in 3 years you may be planning replacing the bunk house model with a different model then the bunk house will not be used after that. If you are planning on keeping this trailer for maybe 10 years then I would go with the 295. With the 295 you will be able to work around the "non bunk model" when ever needed and then when it is just the 2 of you this model will fit your needs.

                    When we had kids , 3 , our last trailer , 3 bunks , was the first trailer we should have bought , could not afford it in the early years though. Think of the long term investment but also think of the family memories maybe that will help you decide. There are some good Imagine TT's that may fit the bill also.

                    Curious on you pick , I was really pulling for the 31MB , although we are with out kids , for a while , we really like that model.

                    Brian
                    Brian & Michelle
                    2018 Reflection 29RS
                    2022 Chevy 3500HD

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by howson View Post

                      Can I bore you with a story?

                      About three years ago I bought a brand new Ford F-250 Platinum truck. It was a dream to have such a nice vehicle and based on "my" research I could "pull anything". (I was wrong.) When forum members educated me about the "sticker" (payload capacity) I was devastated, because it meant hauling my Honda Goldwing in the truck bed while pulling a 315RLTS was not possible. At least not while staying within the truck's specs. (I've learned a LOT since those days!)

                      That led to a six-month or more search for an alternative camper, because the DW was adamant--we were NOT getting another truck.

                      We finally settled on a Rockwood trailer that met our minimum requirements, but the DW did not love the trailer like she loved the 315RLTS. (And the Rockwood, obviously, wasn't a Grand Design so the interactions with all the individuals I had on the Grand Design focused forum would go away, too.)

                      So the day came when there was no other trailers to research or look at. I told my wife, "OK, let's go get the Rockwood." Her expression said it all--it was that sad, disappointed face of an unhappy woman. The next words out of my mouth were, "We are not going to compound a mistake with a second mistake."

                      I could make this story longer but I traded my beloved, new F-250 for a used F-350 DRW (that is literally the same model, color, interior and options as my 250). I call the whole experience a "$5,000 life lesson" (about the amount I lost versus buying the 350 the first time).

                      The DW, of course, then got her 315RLTS. We've never regretted the decision.

                      Just food for thought...

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                      Well you have to keep the wife happy! LOL

                      Let me tell you a story We originally started out looking at travel trailers a few months ago when my husband had an F150 SXT (I think the towing capacity was around 7500). We quickly found out that we had to find a TT that was around 5000 lbs dry. Definitely doable, but couldn't really find a nice one with the features we wanted. So about 2 weeks ago we decided to upgrade to a new (to us) Dodge 2500 6.4L Hemi Tradesman. We figured we could pull a really nice travel trailer with that! So we drove 2.5 hours to the closest dealership that sells GD. The salesman showed us a few TT but then asked if we had considered a fifth wheel. I told him "Oh no, that's too big for us!" Well he must have seen me coming because he ushered us into a 31MB. It was love at first sight! My husband even loved it, even though he was looking for something 30' or under. So now I'm set on a fifth wheel, but upgrading our truck again is just not going to happen for quite a while. But I know that our truck will pull the 150 Series, so that's what we will go with, for now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Confused Searcher View Post
                        ... so that's what we will go with, for now.
                        If you get the chance to watch any of Marc and Trish's videos ("Keep Your Daydream" on YouTube) that is their #1 advice--just get started with what you've got (or can get). So no matter what, don't get caught in "paralysis by analysis".

                        Good luck with your search--and please follow-up with what you finally decide. And don't hesitate to ask more questions! I bombarded the forum well before I bought my 315RLTS with "newbie" questions. TucsonJim and Cate&Rob (fellow moderators here on this site) as well as Second Chance (Rob) among many others were among the early "mentors" I was lucky enough to have prior to Grand Design ownership.

                        Howard
                        Last edited by howson; 09-12-2020, 07:14 AM.
                        Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.

                        Howard & Francine
                        2017 Ford F-350 DRW, '19 315RLTSPlus

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by howson View Post

                          If you get the chance to watch any of Marc and Trish's video ("Keep Your Daydream" on YouTube) that is there #1 advice--just get started with what you've got (or can get). So no matter what, don't get caught in "paralysis by analysis".

                          Good luck with your search--and please follow-up with what you finally decide. And don't hesitate to ask more questions! I bombarded the forum well before I bought my 315RLTS with "newbie" questions. TucsonJim and Cate&Rob (fellow moderators here on this site) as well as Second Chance (Rob) among many others were among the early "mentors" I was lucky enough to have prior to Grand Design ownership.

                          Howard
                          We don't plan on purchasing/ordering until January, but I will let you know. Thanks!

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                          • #14
                            I hear the trials and tribulations of this scenario every week. After digesting the aforementioned information, I would suggest the 278. If the child isn't happy, then the mother isn't happy, and you know "the rest of the story." Stay healthy everyone...
                            Scott M. Barlag, RV Product Specialist, NW Indiana

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SBARLAG View Post
                              I hear the trials and tribulations of this scenario every week. After digesting the aforementioned information, I would suggest the 278. If the child isn't happy, then the mother isn't happy, and you know "the rest of the story." Stay healthy everyone...
                              Hahahaha this is true!

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