So 25 more HP and 150 ft lb more torque than stock (475Hp 1050 Torque). I also noticed the HO turbo is water cooled. Will be a good upgrade for those with BIG toy haulers. This is in line with what the chip makers are getting. I wonder if any internals were changed?

Thanks for the post - I might just see what al the new option are - I can dream cant I

Keith

On edit - they have limited cab styles Lariat appear to be super cab only. Crew cab for KR ,Platinum ,and Limited. Also rear end are limited for HO. Second edit - Never mind I was working the design and build wrong, but thins are limited. Most interiors and black onix and rear ends to 3.31 unless dually or gas engine To get skid plates you must get FX - off road package. Lots of different packaging.

I just had a crazy thought. if the kind folks that like Chevy, GMC and Ram could post the build site for thier truck line and a few tips on how to navigate I think that would help a lot of help to folks actually look at the real 2023 information. An example on the Ford site, on the right side of the build screen pick the weight class (150, 350, 450, cab type, box length, and SWR or DRW) then it automatically narrows the truck trim choice that fits that.

A lot has changed in Fords packaging - some of which makes me glad I got my 2022. Lots of bundling that honestly you probably don't need but sells trucks The HO option is a $2500 add to the base 6.7, but the 6.7 option actually dropped in price.

So for those looking, while the Ford 2023 has a lot of neat new features, take a hard look at the 2022's you may find and do a comparison of what you want. Overall the price increase on the KR is about 6K from 2022....but that does get you the high power 4KW inverter plug in the bed and a neat camera option. The fully reclining seat is an option, not std

If I find it I will post the actual rapid order specifications that has the details of what options includes, limitations, and std equipment are available and the order codes

I look forward to looking at what the other brands offer - should be excellent reading for folks looking for a good tow vehicle

Keith

On edit

Everything you wanted to know about 2023 Super Duty Ford order guides - also some information on option availability.
https://blueovalforums.com/forums/in...p-order-guide/
https://blueovalforums.com/forums/in...es-super-duty/

Won't be long now before they are 1500 tq 800 hp. Not that I am complaining.

Ford and Ram can make as much HP and Torque as they want. In either case, the trans torque limits the engine in lower gears to keep it from blowing apart or toasting the clutches.

GM is not torque limiting Joseph based on the current output. But some must do this due to being able to tout the higher number but limit torque to keep things in check as well as to keep the illusion of class leadership. Manufacturers look at sales and will flip flop back and forth until things fall off a cliff. Every manufacturer has the knowledge to produce any level of power and torque that they want. Nobody has the market cornered on this. Its sales that is the game. The power and torque game will come to an end. Think 1972 on muscle cars and again today where producing 800 Hp+ cars is simply not sustainable. Nor is it in high powered EVs that suck immense power and are mostly fueled with coal and natural gas and where materials to make batteries are mined through diesel power.
There is so much more than peak power and torque numbers but the two are important as compared to a truck that is grossly under powered everywhere. Its the entire torque curve that is important where folks always focus on the peak numbers. So is anyone running around with todays diesel at full throttle all the time?
Remember the economy of an engine suffers as power and torque and towing capabilities rise since friction increases with bore diameter and stoke and the inertial loads with more robust reciprocating components including the turbo. If components stays the same, and only boost and fuel is increased, don't expect the same longevity since load and heat on components will take their toll over time if the engine is ran often to its advertised numbers. Fuel economy these days has become critical where final drive can also play a critical role so don't expect good economy with a 4:30.1 final drive. But man can it tow! It will pass everything but a fuel station. LOL.

I've recently seen advertising to be able to tow 40,000 lbs with a one ton truck. Who in their right mind would want to do this at roughly 4x the mass of the tow vehicle yet I commonly see posts where folks suggest a 2500 or 3500 to tow a trailer like my Imagine at 6500 lbs where the ratio would be around 1.5. A one ton towing 40K is at around 0.25. So am I concerned that one manufacture has a higher number than another? Not at all since its not hard to do. I'm concerned that we are once again inviting an intervention (avoiding politics) to take us even further into absurdity.

Jim

Joseph
On my Ford the torque is limited based on the driving mode selected. In normal with traction control and other features off I don't think is it limited based on how ir drives. If I throw traction control back on, yes - raw power off the line is reduced.

I may not be 100% correct.
Keith

Keith,

Its easy to see with todays apps and a plug in dongle. They have been limiting in the first thee gears.

Jim

Here is an overview of the 2024 GM trucks since we are in truck sales mode. Note the video explanation of GM putting all available torque to the ground. No marketing games. Its all there all the time.

https://tfltruck.com/2022/10/gm-heav...eptember-2022/

Jim

Sounds like my 440 Challenger..lol

I do wonder why GM is not torque limiting though. Is the dirtymax a bit down on low end torque? Or does GM have massive u-joints and axle gears etc? (make for a pretty heavy truck...) Or do they just expect the street tires to break traction and relieve the drivetrain? With the advertised numbers, without torque limiting...something has gotta give. No?

Scott,

The driveline and especially the transmission can handle it. There is traction control so most folks would not roast their expensive tires. Ok some young kids might. LOL

To your point it takes time for a turbo to spool up but these days they are all pretty good in this regard.

Jim

Then what is the torque limiting for? The Ford trans and the Aisin trans are every bit as tough or tougher than the Allison..and u-joints are u-joints.......so what is it limiting for?

Scott,

You will have to ask someone over at Ford and Stellantis. I can tell you that without an SAE certified torque curve (the entire curve) I cannot be overly impressed since I know all the techniques that some use to make their claims. Without this information, I have to believe the power and torque at two specific points is real but I cannot see how the engine got there.
The GM trucks are not torque constrained as I have offered up since it was a talking point. I am not a spokesperson for GM and I think all the big three are nice vehicles. I just think its getting old reading about one brand lately where each brand has their pros and cons.

Jim

Well, the Ford and Aisin trans may be able to handle the torque in some gears but not all. I think it was mentioned the bell housing on the Ford is the weak link. On the Aisin there are other issues in the low end. Don't remember what they are off hand, but if you compare the diameters of the trans housing on the Aisin (Allison rip off) you will notice almost immediately that it is (or was) much smaller in diameter. Smaller diameter means smaller diameter clutches, which means they either need more pressure or they hold less power.

Unfortunately my transmission guy passed this year. He was a wealth of knowledge on all of the big 3 trans. If he said making it hold power was a problem, he was usually on the bleeding edge of parts development to make it hold the power.

I have read they are all capable trannys, the Aisin being the toughest. But, either way, regardless of which one is best, I do think torque limiting is the smart thing to do. A tow vehicle isn't for 'pulling' the front wheels, it's for moving a heavy load and just going 'hammer down' from a stop sign is just asking to break something eventually.
If I was at the track? Different story.
That was me mentioning the Cummins breaking bellhousings, with the 68RFE when not exhaust restricted. (I was deleting at the time)
I think it's worth mentioning that Ford is the only one of the big three that still makes it's own HD trans for the diesels. Chrysler and GM gave up on their tranny divisions I guess?

Back to the original subject of ordering a new TV, has Ford increased bed rail height even more by any chance? One of my pet peeves of new HD trucks.