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    At last year's national rally, Ginnie and I toured a Solitude 310GK and decided to purchase a new one. At the time of purchase, I knew the pin weight of the new fiver would be pushing the rated capacity of our 2016 Ford F350 SRW. I installed airbags to minimize squat, and it seemed to tow okay. In March '24, we finally had the Solitude equipped the way we wanted it, so while we were attending the Quartzsite Arizona rally, we had a vendor perform a detailed weigh in. OMG. We weren't just pushing the capacity, we greatly exceeded it. I was so concerned, I double-checked the weights at a Cat Scale and they were within 1% of the vendor's weights.

    Here are some of the critical measurements:
    TRUCK - 2016 Ford F350 SRW Specification (Pounds) Actual (Pounds) Difference (Pounds)
    Gross Combined Weight Rating 23,500 25,400 -1,900
    Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 11,500 12,800 -1,300
    Gross Axle Weight Rating (Front) 5,600 5,250 350
    Gross Axle Weight Rating (Rear) 7,000 7,550 -550
    In addition, we were even over weight on one of the rear tires by 150 pounds.

    Ginnie and I put on lots of miles every year as GDRV's Western USA Rally coordinators. If we were just slightly overweight, we'd try reducing weight to try and resolve the capacity concerns. But there's no way we could meet the specifications with even a modest load in the truck and trailer.

    So, we decided to look into purchasing a DRW. New ones were way out of our desired price range. We found a 2020 Ford F350 DRW in Phoenix with only 31K miles for a very reasonable price. We bit the bullet and purchased it. We just finished our first tow with it, and had it weighed while we were on our way to the Waco Texas rally. It's a King Ranch version with all the whistles and bells. What a joy to tow with. But she sure has big hips... Here's a table with the weight measurements:
    TRUCK - 2020 Ford F350 DRW Specification (Pounds) Actual (Pounds) Difference (Pounds)
    Gross Combined Weight Rating 43,400 25,140 18,260
    Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 14,000 12,860 1,140
    Gross Axle Weight Rating (Front) 5,990 5,340 650
    Gross Axle Weight Rating (Rear) 9,900 7,520 2,380

    Now, I feel much more confident pulling the rig. I was really surprised that our F350 SRW did not have the rated capacity for the smallest Solitude that GDRV makes. But now with the dually, I should be able to handle any FW out there. And no, we're not getting a bigger one.

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    Jim and Ginnie
    2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
    GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
    GDRV Rally Support Coordinator

  • #2
    Originally posted by TucsonJim View Post
    And no, we're not getting a bigger one.
    Jim ​
    For now.....

    Nice looking truck Jim. I know what you mean about new ones being out of the price range. Checked the price of a new one a couple weeks ago and figure if we need to buy a new truck we might have to park the RV instead. I couldn't find one new for less than twice what we paid in 2018. My paycheck hasn't doubled in the last 6 years......

    2018 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins w Aisin and 9 cup holders
    2021 303RLS
    Electricians were created because engineers need heroes too...

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    • #3
      TucsonJim

      Jim - interesting data, thanks. It got my attention as we are leaning towards the 310GK.

      s we look to upgrade our truck and trailer, I've done a ton of research on this. I am amazed at how many 3/4 ton trucks are out there pulling much heavier trailers than the 15k gvw 310GK you have. I'd guess over 90% of 5th wheel setups are overloading the truck in one way or another by a fair amount. Not saying it is ok, just an observation.

      We have on order an F350 SRW with the 6.7. It has a CGVW of 31k lbs, and I expect a payload of about 4100lbs (based on a yellow sticker of an identically equipped unit we didn't buy). The rear axle will have 7230 lbs max load. We'll see where things end up w/r to actual weights...

      Interesting that your DRW weighs less than your SRW truck.
      Ottertail, Minnesota
      2022 Imagine 2500RL VIN 573TE3029N6637046
      2022 Ford F-150 Lariat, SuperCrew, long box, max tow

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      • #4
        Originally posted by AlexPeterson View Post
        TucsonJim


        Interesting that your DRW weighs less than your SRW truck.
        I think that is because Ford went with the aluminum body but I could be wrong about the timing or the actual reason why.

        Rob
        Rob & Barb
        2022 RAM 3500 Big Horn, 6.7 Cummins HO/Aisin
        2022 Solitude 378MBS

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AlexPeterson View Post

          We have on order an F350 SRW with the 6.7. It has a CGVW of 31k lbs, and I expect a payload of about 4100lbs (based on a yellow sticker of an identically equipped unit we didn't buy). The rear axle will have 7230 lbs max load. We'll see where things end up w/r to actual weights...
          Alex, I think you payload expectations may be optimistic. I have a 2022 F350 as you describe. Rear Axle capacity matches the 7230 lb number but payload is 3442 lbs. As we know, every truck is different. This is a moderately equipped Lariat model. To get to the 4100 lb payload you would have to have the gasoline engine (I think)

          Rob

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          Cate & Rob
          (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
          2015 Reflection 303RLS
          2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
          Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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          • #6
            My 2021 F350 has a payload rating of 4164 lbs.
            Ted
            2021 Reflection 310RLS
            2020 F350 PS,CC,LB,SRW

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            • #7
              This was the Lariat crew cab F350 equipped almost identically to the one we ordered. 6.7 Diesel. I looked at a number of 2024 Lariats, and they were all in the 4100lb range for payload. They do need the tires/wheels for the 12,000 GVW to have this. This one has the off-road armor, so I may even sneak a little more. The Diesels have notably higher CVGW than any of the gas ones, not that that is the limiting factor. The one we ordered will have a CGVW of 31,000, but pin weight and axle limit of 7230 lbs will obviously be the limiting factor.

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              Ottertail, Minnesota
              2022 Imagine 2500RL VIN 573TE3029N6637046
              2022 Ford F-150 Lariat, SuperCrew, long box, max tow

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              • #8
                My 2022 F350 CC KR long bed 6.7 has a CCC 4062lbs. However for a Solitude 310GK I would go back to a dually. Jim TucsonJim what is your true pin weight now that you have all or your improvements done? Just curious. BTW you should have gotten a F450 -.... just kidding. I do like you color choice. Its Star white? Wonder where I have seen that combination before and it is a KR too?

                BTW - as for the wide hips - your mirrors stick out further, so use that as a judge for clearance in tight spots - and its OK to take up two parking spots if needed. I just parked further out - still do .

                Beautiful set up - safe travels

                Keith

                On edit - Jim does it have the rear sway bar? If not maybe your next project
                Last edited by Yoda; 04-14-2024, 03:30 PM.
                2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.

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                • #9
                  The only hardware difference I can see is 20” wheels vs my 18” wheels. In the specs this seems to change the front axle capacity and GVWR. I purchased “mid Covid” and there were absolutely no comparables to look at. I do recall “advice” from the dealer sales rep that smaller wheels (thus taller tire sidewalls) would have greater payload. Obviously that info was as useful as most dealer knowledge.

                  i have noticed that the empty truck ride is considerably better than I was expecting . . . although, I have nothing exact to compare to. Maybe this is due to the taller tire sidewalls and perhaps is a good thing as I have more payload than I will ever need with my Reflection. But . . . I would have gone for the higher payload if I had understood the numbers.

                  Rob
                  Cate & Rob
                  (with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
                  2015 Reflection 303RLS
                  2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
                  Bayham, Ontario, Canada

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                  • #10
                    Your payload numbers will vary based on the GVWR of your vehicle. Not all 3/4 ton trucks have a 10K GVWR. Not all 1 ton trucks have an 11.5K GVWR.

                    For example, my 2020 3/4 ton diesel has 3,166 payload because the GVWR is 10.8K. If I had the 10K GVWR my payload would be 800# less (2,366).

                    If you're looking for good payload numbers, get a package that increases GVWR.
                    Allen

                    2021 Momentum 21G

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by acoleman43 View Post
                      Your payload numbers will vary based on the GVWR of your vehicle. Not all 3/4 ton trucks have a 10K GVWR. Not all 1 ton trucks have an 11.5K GVWR.

                      For example, my 2020 3/4 ton diesel has 3,166 payload because the GVWR is 10.8K. If I had the 10K GVWR my payload would be 800# less (2,366).

                      If you're looking for good payload numbers, get a package that increases GVWR.
                      Cate&Rob

                      I am not sure this applies to Canada, but if your looking at ordering a Ford, get the rapid specifications - IE the dealer order guide. It gets posted on many of the Ford forums. In that guide you can compare what actually is in the option packages (the option number) and what options come std for each trim level.. When I ordered mine I got the max payload possible - I think that was 11500, however when delivered I believe the sticker said 14000. An example is the Camper package. It gives you a heavier front end and rear suspension plus the sway bar. Once your dealer completes the order check your number against what is shown on the order guide. From time to time Ford changes the guide based on parts availability.. I can only assume the Dodge and Chevy have similar guides..

                      As a side story when I was shopping for my 2022 I visited my local dealer with a build sheet in hand and the sales man and even his boss said I could not order it that way. I pulled out the order guide to show them. The response I got back is that it was top secrete and I shouldn't have it. Even after showing them the facts the said it could not be done. The also said they had no way of knowing the x-plan price and I called BS and showed then a quote form a 3rd dealer with the plan prices printed on it. That's when I said given thier BS I will never buy a truck from them and walked out. I took the same information to the Farmington dealer and they loved the fact that I had done my homework. It took them a day to verify and even offered some options I had missed. It pays to have a dealer you can trust. - but Verify anyway.

                      Keith

                      2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by acoleman43 View Post
                        Your payload numbers will vary based on the GVWR of your vehicle. Not all 3/4 ton trucks have a 10K GVWR. Not all 1 ton trucks have an 11.5K GVWR.

                        For example, my 2020 3/4 ton diesel has 3,166 payload because the GVWR is 10.8K. If I had the 10K GVWR my payload would be 800# less (2,366).

                        If you're looking for good payload numbers, get a package that increases GVWR.
                        My GVWR is 12,400 lbs.
                        Ted
                        2021 Reflection 310RLS
                        2020 F350 PS,CC,LB,SRW

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Yoda;n132063 Jim [USER="4"
                          TucsonJim[/USER] what is your true pin weight now that you have all or your improvements done?
                          Keith - My measured pin weight is 3,200#. The payload on my 2016 truck was 3,220#. Hey, I had 20 pounds to work with as long as the truck drove itself.

                          Jim
                          Jim and Ginnie
                          2024 Solitude 310GK - 2020 F350 Dually
                          GDRV Technical Forum Moderator
                          GDRV Rally Support Coordinator

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TedS View Post

                            My GVWR is 12,400 lbs.
                            Yep CRS I believe you are correct.
                            2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TucsonJim View Post

                              Keith - My measured pin weight is 3,200#. The payload on my 2016 truck was 3,220#. Hey, I had 20 pounds to work with as long as the truck drove itself.

                              Jim
                              Is a 12 step weight program in your future?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,or an F450 Hint

                              Safe travels my friend - Keith
                              2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.

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