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Originally posted by Scott'n'Wendy View PostWhy? They need changing often on a Ford diesel? I change mine about every 18 -24 months on the cummins.
The lower fuel filter runs about $125...when you hit that service, get ready for a $500 (or more) service bill.Allen
2021 Momentum 21G
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I usually change mine every other oil change. There is a Motorcraft kit you can get that includes both the upper and lower filter. It is a easy change.Forum moderators are not GD employees--we are volunteers and owners presumably just like yourself. Unless specifically mentioned otherwise, we have nothing to gain should you choose to purchase a product or engage a service we discuss on this forum.
Neil Citro
2018 Reflection 28BH Pepwave
2019 F350 6.7L Long Bed Crew Cab
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Scott'n'Wendy Been on the road and picked up bad fuel. Instead of an expensive repair bill dealing with unknown mechanics, it's much easier to change the filters first. Why carry the MFG spares? On the new diesels, they will deny warranty claims if there is a fuel system failure and they find NON OEM filters.
Yes there are better filters out there with better cleaning capabilities, however they may lead to insufficient fuel flow.Joseph
Tow Vehicle: 2024 GMC K3500 Denali Ultimate Diesel
Coach: 303RLS Delivered March 5, 2021
South of Houston Texas
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Jlawles2
Hi Joseph,
Good advice! Both the "carry spare fuel filters" and the "carry OEM filters to avoid warranty questions".
Thanks . . .
RobCate & Rob
(with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
2015 Reflection 303RLS
2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
Bayham, Ontario, Canada
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Originally posted by Scott'n'Wendy View PostWhy? They need changing often on a Ford diesel? I change mine about every 18 -24 months on the cummins.
I say just in case you ever get a tank of bad/dirty fuel. I have had to use my spare fuel filters once in about 15 years, but glad I had them. I was visiting North Cascades Nation Park and fill up at a small town gas station. Lots of water/crud in fuel plugged my filter. Several folks in the campground had the same issue. One with a diesel pusher had to be towed out. I added some bioside and the helped greatly, but went through 2 more filters getting home. I had the tank pulled and cleaned when I got home - sent the gas station the bill but never got a dime. This was with my 95 7.3 where things were easy to service. For that engine I also carried a cam position sensor and a 17mm wrench - the other weak link in that engine - wen through several of those during ownership.
I just like to be prepared and they don't take up much room.
I don't know what Ill need for the 2022 yet, but will chat with my service manager when I get it.
Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Originally posted by Jlawles2 View PostScott'n'Wendy Been on the road and picked up bad fuel. Instead of an expensive repair bill dealing with unknown mechanics, it's much easier to change the filters first. Why carry the MFG spares? On the new diesels, they will deny warranty claims if there is a fuel system failure and they find NON OEM filters.
Yes there are better filters out there with better cleaning capabilities, however they may lead to insufficient fuel flow.
Great advice. Its risky to use filters other than OEM since the powertrain has been developed along with all the filters in the lab. One example is the oil bath air filters where over oiling will contaminate the MAF sensor. No advantage is had by using these filters since the OEM filter must meet the development spec for pressure drop at full throttle/load.
Another example was a rash of failed engines in production which was tied to an aftermarket oil filter maker.
Jim
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Originally posted by MidwestCamper View Post
Joseph,
OEM filter must meet the development spec for pressure drop at full throttle/load.
Another example was a rash of failed engines in production which was tied to an aftermarket oil filter maker.
Jim
Which I'm guessing led to people raving about bypass filtering...
I use Mopar or Cummins filters. Both OEM I figure. OK, I'll carry a spare. It's not like I won't use it eventually anyway.
..Yoda
You can't carry enough spare everything when you have a Ford 6.0... Just my opinion. I had an absolutely horrendous 2004 Ford 6.0. Never went 2 weeks without a breakdown.
Edit...actually the first 18 months were great...then...Last edited by Scott'n'Wendy; 10-17-2021, 08:10 AM.2018 Dodge 3500 6.7 Cummins w Aisin and 9 cup holders
2021 303RLS
Electricians were created because engineers need heroes too...
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Originally posted by Cate&Rob View PostWe have moved to the dark side! Replacing the Ecoboost F150 HDPP after 43,000 towing kms. (27,000 towing miles)
The new TV is a 2022 F350 Lariat SRW Diesel CC SB.
It was time for a new truck and our travel plans will take us through country with much steeper grades than our annual trips back and forth from Canada to Florida.
The two truck are very similar in physical size (first picture) but I have not yet hitched the Reflection to the new truck to sort out towing level.
The (new for 2022) 12" center screen in the Superduty and all the cameras are simply amazing. They knit together to give an overview as if there was a drone hovering above. (second picture).
Payload is just over 3400 lbs. (An F250 version would have had barely more payload than the HDPP F150 . . . so, that was not an option.)
Rob
I was re reading through this thread and it brought to mind a couple of questions if you don't mind.
I assume you got the max GVW 11,400 lbs package for your 3400 payload - is that correct?
Have you measured your bed height empty and loaded? And with that do you know your 5th wheel pin weight? I am trying t learn how much the new trucks squat under load.
If I may ask which rear end did you get - I am considering the locking 3.55 over the stock 3.31
Last I know its early but what kind of fuel mileage numbers are you seeing?
Thanks Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Yoda
Hi Keith,
It is "early days" but I can answer some of your questions. We have not yet hitched the RV to the truck, but I do have some weight carrying references.
GVWR is 11,500 (I have seen this referenced as 11,400 in some documents) to get the 3400 lb payload.
Empty tailgate height is 58". Loaded with 1250 lbs (bagged landscaping supplies sold by weight) brings the tailgate height to 56". Overload springs are 1/2" from engaging at this weight so will definitely be engaged with the 2100 lb RV pin weight. (Per my calculations, I expect that this will be about 1 1/2" higher than the HDPP F150) The F350 seems to be relatively softly sprung at the upper end (probably for empty ride comfort). Wheel arch measurements go from 40"F/42.5"R when empty to 40.5"F/41"R with 1250 lbs in the bed aft of the rear axle. I am hoping that the F350 will come out more/less level with both wheel arches at 40" +/- when hitched to the RV. (I do see a lot of Superduty trucks visually travelling "uphill" with the front wheel arch higher than the rear, but well within their payload capability towing larger 5th wheels)
I stayed with the 3.31 axle ratio. With over 1000 lb-ft of torque and 10 transmission gears . . . I think that needing a higher axle ratio is a thing of the past . The rear axle can be locked electrically (switch on the dash).
We are still on the first tank of fuel, but mostly empty driving is in the 12 L/100km (20 MPG) range. Interesting that this is almost exactly what I was getting with the Ecoboost F150 measured over thousands of miles. I expect that this will get better with break-in miles. The F350 fuel tank is 34 gal resulting in an empty range of over 600 miles. This is the same as the previous truck and we are comfortable with this. I am hoping that the diesel towing mileage will be better than the 10 MPG that we got with the Ecoboost, thus approaching 400 miles which is more than a normal "towing day" for us. The long box F350 has a 48 gal tank . . . an attractive alternative, but not worth the daily maneuvering compromise (at least not to Cate )
RobCate & Rob
(with Border Collies Molly & Angel + Kitties Hazel & Elsie)
2015 Reflection 303RLS
2022 F350 Diesel CC SB SRW Lariat
Bayham, Ontario, Canada
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Originally posted by Cate&Rob View PostYoda
Hi Keith,
It is "early days" but I can answer some of your questions. We have not yet hitched the RV to the truck, but I do have some weight carrying references.
GVWR is 11,500 (I have seen this referenced as 11,400 in some documents) to get the 3400 lb payload.
Empty tailgate height is 58". Loaded with 1250 lbs (bagged landscaping supplies sold by weight) brings the tailgate height to 56". Overload springs are 1/2" from engaging at this weight so will definitely be engaged with the 2100 lb RV pin weight. (Per my calculations, I expect that this will be about 1 1/2" higher than the HDPP F150) The F350 seems to be relatively softly sprung at the upper end (probably for empty ride comfort). Wheel arch measurements go from 40"F/42.5"R when empty to 40.5"F/41"R with 1250 lbs in the bed aft of the rear axle. I am hoping that the F350 will come out more/less level with both wheel arches at 40" +/- when hitched to the RV. (I do see a lot of Superduty trucks visually travelling "uphill" with the front wheel arch higher than the rear, but well within their payload capability towing larger 5th wheels)
I stayed with the 3.31 axle ratio. With over 1000 lb-ft of torque and 10 transmission gears . . . I think that needing a higher axle ratio is a thing of the past . The rear axle can be locked electrically (switch on the dash).
We are still on the first tank of fuel, but mostly empty driving is in the 12 L/100km (20 MPG) range. Interesting that this is almost exactly what I was getting with the Ecoboost F150 measured over thousands of miles. I expect that this will get better with break-in miles. The F350 fuel tank is 34 gal resulting in an empty range of over 600 miles. This is the same as the previous truck and we are comfortable with this. I am hoping that the diesel towing mileage will be better than the 10 MPG that we got with the Ecoboost, thus approaching 400 miles which is more than a normal "towing day" for us. The long box F350 has a 48 gal tank . . . an attractive alternative, but not worth the daily maneuvering compromise (at least not to Cate )
Rob
Keith2018 Reflection 150 Series 220RK 5th whee, Star White 2022 F350 King Ranch CC Long bed (HAL) (CCC 4062lbs), B&W 25K OEM Companion,. SteadyFast system, Trailer reverse lights, rear receiver spare tire holder, storage tube, sumo springs, Victron MultiPlus 12/120/3000, Solar, Custom 6K axles upgrade, and other modifications.
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Originally posted by Cate&Rob View PostYoda
Hi Keith,
It is "early days" but I can answer some of your questions. We have not yet hitched the RV to the truck, but I do have some weight carrying references.
GVWR is 11,500 (I have seen this referenced as 11,400 in some documents) to get the 3400 lb payload.
Empty tailgate height is 58". Loaded with 1250 lbs (bagged landscaping supplies sold by weight) brings the tailgate height to 56". Overload springs are 1/2" from engaging at this weight so will definitely be engaged with the 2100 lb RV pin weight. (Per my calculations, I expect that this will be about 1 1/2" higher than the HDPP F150) The F350 seems to be relatively softly sprung at the upper end (probably for empty ride comfort). Wheel arch measurements go from 40"F/42.5"R when empty to 40.5"F/41"R with 1250 lbs in the bed aft of the rear axle. I am hoping that the F350 will come out more/less level with both wheel arches at 40" +/- when hitched to the RV. (I do see a lot of Superduty trucks visually travelling "uphill" with the front wheel arch higher than the rear, but well within their payload capability towing larger 5th wheels)
I stayed with the 3.31 axle ratio. With over 1000 lb-ft of torque and 10 transmission gears . . . I think that needing a higher axle ratio is a thing of the past . The rear axle can be locked electrically (switch on the dash).
We are still on the first tank of fuel, but mostly empty driving is in the 12 L/100km (20 MPG) range. Interesting that this is almost exactly what I was getting with the Ecoboost F150 measured over thousands of miles. I expect that this will get better with break-in miles. The F350 fuel tank is 34 gal resulting in an empty range of over 600 miles. This is the same as the previous truck and we are comfortable with this. I am hoping that the diesel towing mileage will be better than the 10 MPG that we got with the Ecoboost, thus approaching 400 miles which is more than a normal "towing day" for us. The long box F350 has a 48 gal tank . . . an attractive alternative, but not worth the daily maneuvering compromise (at least not to Cate )
Rob
We towed a 337RLS with a 2017 F350 a 2019 F350 and to a 2020 F350. All were CCSB diesels with 18” tires. .
The 17 had a 3.55 axle and the 18 & 20 had 3.31 axles.
The 2019 was replaced with the 2020 using Florida Lemon Law due to an electrical problem
Fuel mileage
17 & 19 same MPG. 16.9 lifetime average, 20 mpg @ 65 mph unloaded. 10.5-11.0 mpg towing 337RLS @ 62 mph
2020 17.5 average, 23 mpg @ 65 mph unloaded. 12.5-13.5 mpg towing 337RLS @ 62 mph (1300 rpm in 10th gear)
The 10 speed with redesigned 6.7L diesel in 2020 improved throttle response, acceleration and fuel economy.
Below is a dash snapshot showing 12.3mpg while towing our 337RLS a few weeks ago, going from Okeechobee FL to St Augustine FL. I would expect you to get the similar efficiency.
EDIT: our 350 squats 3” when we load the 2800 lbs pin weight of our 337.
1 PhotoLast edited by Jerryr; 10-17-2021, 06:22 PM.
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